K.i.s.s.
Give a reputable F.F.L. holder $30.00
For the legal and documented exchange .
In and out in 25 minutes.

All concerns absolved

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yep. I am with bendable here.

He’s fine fellas…

He’s a sizable footprint and can handle himself.

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• Seller has never been used in a manner of questionable or certain illegality;

Something isn’t right with this line.

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Originally posted by jhe888:
Why create a paperwork requirement that doesn't exist, and makes a trail you aren't required to make?

I object to this on philosophical grounds because it about halfway buys into the idea that guns are some special, super-dangerous form of property that ought to be more controlled and regulated. You are buying into the basic idea of gun registration and more regulation. Don't step onto the slippery slope.

I guess it depends whether a trace on the gun would ever lead to you. If so, it might be nice to have a bill of sale indicating that you sold it and were no longer responsible for it after <x> time on <y> date. If not, then having no paper trail might make a lot of sense.

While it might seem nice to have in writing that the buyer warrants that he is legal to own, if one isn’t legally required to have that it seems an unnecessary additional complication.

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Originally posted by slosig:

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• Seller has never been used in a manner of questionable or certain illegality;

Something isn’t right with this line.

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Originally posted by jhe888:
Why create a paperwork requirement that doesn't exist, and makes a trail you aren't required to make?

I object to this on philosophical grounds because it about halfway buys into the idea that guns are some special, super-dangerous form of property that ought to be more controlled and regulated. You are buying into the basic idea of gun registration and more regulation. Don't step onto the slippery slope.

I guess it depends whether a trace on the gun would ever lead to you. If so, it might be nice to have a bill of sale indicating that you sold it and were no longer responsible for it after <x> time on <y> date. If not, then having no paper trail might make a lot of sense.

While it might seem nice to have in writing that the buyer warrants that he is legal to own, if one isn’t legally required to have that it seems an unnecessary additional complication.

Guys on the Arizona boards discuss this once a year or so and it's been researched to a fare thee well.

Nobody has ever been convicted of anything for selling a gun FTF in Arizona that was later used in the commission of a crime so that isn't something to worry about.

Our Legislators are looking at creating a law that would allow (but not require) buyers and sellers to gather information about who they are buying/selling to/from.

Never had any issues doing FTF transactions here, and sure a lot less hassle than doing them in my previous state of residency.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
The only market for this gun is either a collector or a videogamer, and his handle comes back to only videogame videos and nothing else. I advertised the gun as having been shot and not a NIB collector's piece. I'm pretty positive it's a young guy who wants to buy his favorite gun from any of about a dozen games that came out in the last two decades. Based on that alone, my nerves aren't really up and amped over this sale. I'm not feeling complacent, just... I think it's a kid who finally put together cash for his dream gun.

Well, I was exactly right. He was both of those things, and a nice kid to boot. He brought two friends, young guys. My older Iraq veteran Army friend watched them. We all had a pleasant chat. I made it home safe with my cash. No paperwork was done, just a handshake.

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Originally posted by RichardC:

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Originally posted by ThankGod4Sig:

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Originally posted by RichardC:
And only when that location has McRibs.

HAHAHAH P-220 and I met up after he had the McRib sandwich this past October when I sold him my P225

Was he all fidgety and squirmy, and anxious to get the transaction done tout de suite?

To clarify, this wasn't me.

TL;DR - if you as a man aren't comfortable doing a FTF transaction by yourself in a public place, then you shouldn't be doing FTF transactions. I give more leeway to women meeting up w/ men.

Some of the suggestions I've read while prudent are also strategies that criminals use.

Ask for copy of ID before you meet.
That's exactly what many scammers do. They then use your ID to pretend to be you and scam other people.

Bring a friend.
Fair enough. What if the party brings three friends? Is that a dealbreaker? Is the other party's sense of safety any less important than yours?

Have you & your friend casually fan out and flank him, so he can't keep eyes on both of you at once.
You do that to me, I'm going to assume you're up to no good. While that's good positioning for you & your friend, it's also how robbers operate.

Meet at a PD parking lot.
This is very hit or miss. Ask the police station how they feel about you transacting on their property. Some are OK w/ it, some not. Also, if one isn't acceptably close to both parties, how far out of your way are you willing to drive to meet at a station?

Meet at a gun shop parking lot.
Nearly every gun shop I've ever asked about this has frowned on it. It's one thing if they also have a range and both parties meet at the range as part of the transaction. It's another thing to broker a deal in a parking lot. Big box FFLs such as Sportsman's Warehouse, Cabela's, & Bass Pro are exceptions.

Besides the other reasons already mentioned, a gun shop has nothing to gain and much to lose by allowing private party transactions in their parking lot. All it takes is for one criminal transaction to be linked back to having taken place on their property. The anti-gunners & press would have a field day about how the gun shop is a hub for black market guns and textbook case of the no-background-check gun show loophole in action.

Other places such as Walmart, Home Depot, CVS, etc don't face this problem, b/c they're not in the business of firearms. For gun shops, it's a bad look, b/c ppl will infer that they're encouraging illegal sales.

Bill of Sale
There are many reasons for & against, just make sure both parties are in agreement about whether or not to do one before you're on your way to meet each other.

Pay for an FFL transfer
In addition to the added expense, in several ways, it defeats the purpose of a FTF private party sale.

So, now that the deal's done, what did you sell?

ACR???

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Originally posted by P250UA5:
So, now that the deal's done, what did you sell?

It was an FS2000 package. All he needs to do is order a few spare parts, because it came with everything you'd want if you were looking to buy one, or owned one and wanted all the goodies. Some of it was stuff that was already impossible to find even ten years ago. He was super excited. I'm sure I will eventually regret selling it, but it went to a guy who said I made a dream come true.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
No paperwork was done, just a handshake.

Congratulations on doing no paper. You're a fine freedom loving resident of Arizona and Gilbert.

Proud to have you as a resident.

I did two different gun deals in a Cabela's parking lot . They may would have frowned on it but they never knew it happened . I think most shops wouldn't.
Our PD has a designated area for FTF things and I just found out our Chief is a gun collector .

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
No paperwork was done, just a handshake.

Congratulations on doing no paper. You're a fine freedom loving resident of Arizona and Gilbert.

Proud to have you as a resident.

Thanks, I can be a little rough around the edges, but I'm learning.