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Originally posted by HawkeyeJohn:


Tesla in space shots are absolutely fake - but what do you expect from a fraud.

Wait, what?

Are you for real?

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Originally posted by HawkeyeJohn:
Tesla in space shots are absolutely fake - but what do you expect from a fraud.

Ha! I postulated this on the third page of the thread, of course there was no real Launch. There have never been any missions, oh sure they fired some rockets into the sky so folks "think" there was a mission but it's just a hoax.

It was all done in a studio in Vegas and we had it all covered until that British spy guy stole a lunar crawler and ran it through the wall into the desert...

I guess my concern is that everything Elon Musk does looes money, I wonder how many of my tax dollars he sucks up for his games.

As a species we are explorers. We either find new frontiers or we fester in shithole cities until we kill each other and go extinct. That's why we're going to Mars.

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Originally posted by HawkeyeJohn:


Tesla in space shots are absolutely fake - but what do you expect from a fraud.

Wait, what?

Are you for real?

Lol, seriously, I hope he enlightens us if he’s serious.

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...Who's benefiting from this? If the moon the New World was discovered to be 99%, gold - would it make economic sense to send rockets into space accross the sea to mine it?...

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...'Private public partnership' my ass. Would someone like to explain to me what the financial incentive is for going to Mars the New World ? Or to the Moon its western wilderness? ...

Yeah.

There are park benches everywhere in the world. If the thought of being involved in anything risky or costly is scary, take a seat and sit it out.

Ain't nobody got place on the vehicles of progress and adventure for whiners.

(it isn't that you don't have a point to question things, it's the way you do it that is obnoxious)

And "capitalism" as a vehicle has no "color", it cares not, as the sum is made up of those who are involved in the process, and driven by the masses involved in the process.

Now, there is and always will be the working together by those who have power and stake in all endeavors, be it wealth or power.

It is human nature, and one must be disciplined to not follow that nature, but resist it and "do" what is of higher morality, and that is often a debated subject, making the whole of it more difficult to prevent.

Those who typically wish to see such thing abolished, are almost always of several types.

(in a capitalistic environment)
-Those who have worked hard and have nothing to show.
-Those who are impoverished, yet take no risk or effort to move from poverty.
-Those who abhor the consequences of actions and behaviors, self reliance and personal responsibility.

And much like them.

Those are the people from which come Marxists, Socialists, Communists, Anarchists and all their iterations.

Matters not what spot or stripe or lack thereof, nor what heard he/she travels with, the leopard is still a leopard.

Tons of openings at Spacex in case anyone is looking for a job....

http://www.spacex.com/careers/...tegory_tid%5B%5D=356

I don't want to fuel HawkeyeJohn's conspiracy theories any further, but I am curious why there don't seem to be any stars in the live feed. I would think that it would be easier to see them when the Sun and Earth are not on-camera.

Thank you!

I saw Australia in the background while watching the live feed. Also saw other cameras in the wide shots. Clearly see the front camera through the windshield in the shots from the rear. Hubble had to be put into specific orbit to achieve it's mission. Nobody cares where the Roadster goes. Well, at least nobody on Earth anyway. Any idiot can throw a baseball from the mound towards the stands. It takes skill to get it across the plate. And why would the tires have air in them?

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SPACEX, brought to you by #notthegovernment

Maybe not the US government, but the US taxpayers have subsidized him to the tune of $4.9 Billion. You and I paid for this toy.

Tesla in space shots are absolutely fake - but what do you expect from a fraud.

Would someone like to explain how this roadster was deployed and why there was no video for that?

Anyone remember deployment of the Hubble telescope? Pretty involved...

Does it have retro rockets to execute it's maneuvers or are the camera angles just fortuitous?

And where are the cameras? Odd that there aren't any to be seen in the wide angle shots...

Where are the continents? Has global warming drowned them all?

Wouldn't the tires explode in a vacuum?

Why don't the shadows on the earth correspond with those on the Tesla?

Wasn't the (employee) cheering a little over the top during the launch sequence?

Who's benefiting from this? If the moon was discovered to be 99%, gold - would it make economic sense to send rockets into space to mine it?

'Private public partnership' my ass. Would someone like to explain to me what the financial incentive is for going to Mars? Or to the Moon?

Musk is a Green crony capitalist.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/...dies/article/2009014

Wow, someone buy Hawkeyejohn some tin foil. He's the kinda of quack that give the rest of us gun nuts a bad name

The earth is round and revolves around the sun. The Apollo missions were real. I never suggested otherwise.

I do not doubt the reality of the Falcon Heavy launch or that the Tesla is actually out in space. I just maintain that the photos/videos of the Tesla & Starman, (as well as the booster landing) look like they were assembled with digital magic.

Aside from the issues of ‘ordinary objects’ in space regarding temperatures/pressures etc. - to my eyes there are too many angles in which the light & shadows on the Tesla do not match those on the earth. The earth is bathed in sunlight but most or part of the Tesla is in shade . . .
It doesn’t make visual sense to me and it’s all a little too convenient/staged looking.

The footage may be completely legit. It wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been totally wrong.

Unlike Mark Twain, I believe it’s better to open one's mouth and confirm one's foolishness, than to keep it shut, live in denial, do nothing to correct the situation, worry about what other fools might think and miss an opportunity to be enlightened by those who do know. Too often I've verified that ignorance is the price I've paid to maintain my pride.

Regarding my characterization of Mr. Musk as a fraud - I apologize. He is a brilliant salesman.
I’m just not buying what he’s selling.

If you believe electric cars and solar panels are going to save the planet; if you think colonizing Mars is a cost efficient alternative to maintaining the ‘shithole’ we currently have - then by all means buy the products that Mr. Musk makes and invest your money in his business ventures.

Please don’t reach into your grandchildren’s piggy bank to subsidize the effort.

Colonizing the new world did not involve any spectacular technological breakthroughs.
Colonizing a continent a few thousand miles away with incredibly abundant natural resources (including gold/silver) with friendly atmospheric conditions lots of game and oh yeah - liquid water - is one thing. Getting here was perhaps the greatest hurdle.

Colonizing Mars is another thing. Getting there is just the beginning.

I am all for unmanned space exploration and applaud mankind’s curiosity and adventurous spirit. The research and technological achievements of our missions to the moon produced countless benefits to mankind - but future trips to the moon . . . ? I will need to be convinced that the return will justify the cost.

I am fascinated by planetary geology but exploring the solar system will be much more productive if we concentrate our resources on unmanned efforts.

And as far as exploring the universe and reaching out to life beyond our solar system I’ll conclude this post with a quote - "We don't know much about aliens, but we know about humans. If you look at history, contact between humans and less intelligent organisms have often been disastrous from their point of view, and encounters between civilizations with advanced versus primitive technologies have gone badly for the less advanced. A civilization reading one of our messages could be billions of years ahead of us. If so, they will be vastly more powerful, and may not see us as any more valuable than we see bacteria." - Steven Hawking

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I just maintain that the photos/videos of the Tesla & Starman, (as well as the booster landing) look like they were assembled with digital magic.

Oh yeah, the booster landings were almost certainly fake landings effectively distributed by multiple people from various supposed viewpoints and via different means.

The really tricky part was faking the sonic booms and the noise of the re-entry and landing.

Just because you think the whole endeavor is a waste of time and money, you don't have to conflate that with "It's also a fraud."

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Unlike Mark Twain, I believe it’s better to open one's mouth and confirm one's foolishness

Mission complete.

Please post an example of this impossible lighting you describe.

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It wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been totally wrong.

And this would be one of those times.

SpaceX's Starman Roadster has ventured past Mars orbit

He'd like to come and meet us ... but I think it's gonna be a long long time
ENGADGET
Nov 5th 2018 at 11:00AM

Starman and its Tesla Roadster are officially a long, long way from home. SpaceX has confirmed that Falcon Heavy's test payload has passed Mars' orbit, putting it at one of its greatest distances away from the Sun (it should reach its far point on November 8 at a distance of 1.66 astronomical units, or 155 million miles). While it isn't about to rendezvous with Mars, this is no mean feat for a mannequin-toting EV. And you might want to remember this moment — it's going to be a long time before Starman is close to Earth.

According to models by Ben Pearson, the space-borne dummy driver and car (or what's left of them) won't make a close approach to Earth until two years from now on November 4, 2020, and even then it'll be 0.35AU (32 million miles) away. It'll get much closer to Mars, within 0.05AU (4.6 million miles) on October 6 of that year. You may not see a truly close Earth visit until 2091. Short of a purposeful encounter or an unexpected collision, Starman could be quite lonely for thousands or even millions of years.

Starman's current location. Next stop, the restaurant at the end of the universe. pic.twitter.com/Ty5m8IjJpE

— SpaceX (@SpaceX) November 3, 2018
SpaceX (Twitter)

Reporting by Jon Fingas for Engadget

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/...o00000021&yptr=yahoo

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Haha! Good one.

RMD

Some Klingon, in a few hundred years, will blow the Starman and his Tesla Roadster to pieces with a disruptor mounted on a Bird-of-Prey.