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Has anyone wondered about Sanders living wage of 15 bucks? Back when he ran in 2016, he was pushing the same wage. I have to laugh since anything you buy today now costs much more than then....

It doesn't matter. It's a political issue.
It doesn't matter what the "minimum wage" is... Democrats will always say they want it to be higher.
It buys them votes, and costs them nothing.

But it does hurt entry-level employment, it does hurt those they claim they want to help.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
But it does hurt entry-level employment, it does hurt those they claim they want to help.

It goes well beyond that, in that it hurts pretty much everyone...except the politicians who pushed it. It kills jobs for those at the bottom of the experience curve, it drives up costs for businesses while hampering growth, and costs the average consumer more for the same goods/services. Basically its like everything democrats propose...an obvious cluster.

If the government can simply impose an arbitrary minimum wage of $15/hr, why not make it $20/hr or $50/hr? If you're just making shit up with no concern for economic realities, why stop at $15?

Bottom line is that the commies won't stop until everybody is equal, with doctor, lawyers, and engineers making the same salary as the hamburger flippers. That's the fucking commie way.

A few rural states like Montana, West Virginia, who are consistently #47 or #48 at nationwide per capita income would LOVE a $15 minimum wage. I recently had a friend who runs the pre release center for the County mention they needed a night shift Manager.

You would be responsible for the inmates at the facility from 2300 to 0800 each day. It paid $11.92 an hour! I wouldn't flip burgers for twelve bucks an hour much less put up with Cons.

I know a lot of people who live on less than fifteen bucks an hour. It's sad.

$15 wages for fast food workers may be approaching sooner than later around me. Local Wendy's are giving a $100 signing bonus if you hire in. And the Culver's I frequent 25 miles away in Findlay has reclosed their dining room. When I asked why there was drive through only the response was they didn't have enough staff to run both.

Here in the east bay Of the San Francisco area, there are signs on every burger joint door that says now hiring between 15 and 17$ an hour to start. In n out has one for even more but they get the pick of the litter of burger flipping kids. No wonder it costs me dang near 15$ just to get a buyer meal. I’d be tickled if I was a 16 year old kid making that kind of money. A dad with a mortgage and mouths to feed? Not so much. My company has a corporate minimum wage of $30 an hour. So mail room and reception get at least that despite region of the country. Plus health and dental and Vacation benes

Also remember this is also being pushed heavily by the left leaning unions. Many union contracts public and private base their pay at some amount X above the prevailing minimum wage.

Live off of 15 bucks per hour? Definitely couldn't do it in the Seattle area without a second or even a third income. Inside the city it's painfully expensive enough, but even the 'burbs are expensive these days.

Prior to 'Rona even fast food joints were hard pressed to find enough warm bodies to staff their shops. I know a couple of persons who manage these places and have heard their grousing about the lack of available help. I also know a few restaurateurs who--also prior to Covid--have said that they've had to offer at least an hourly wage in the low to mid twenties with tips and full benefits in order to find reasonably qualified dining room staff.

I can easily seem that for some businesses a $15/hr mandate would be brutal. But for others it was ineffective, given the context and reality of the marketplace.

As for low minimum wages enticing qualified youth to actually train for their future in the workforce: when too often Mommy and Daddy can provide them pretty much most of what they desire, who needs to waste time with a low-paying job? We had one such kid who worked for us; superbly knowledgeable on waterfowl and big game hunting, but lazy as shit when it came to restocking shelves and doing all of the unglamorous crap that goes on at a gun shop. Frankly the only reason why he worked for us was so he could get great deals on guns and ammo. And of course Daddy obliged his desires with a new SBE3 in MAX-5.

Why not $30/hr?

I just revived this old thread instead of starting a new one. I'm not arguing pro or con. I'm merely stating that I think supply and demand is going to drive wages up there. Fast good can't get employees at whatever they are offering now. And it's not like there's a lot of manufacturing or tech jobs competing for the warm bodies in this part of Ohio.

And see what happens when you arbitrarily mandate that companies raise their wages against market forces...

"Kroger closes 2 Southern California stores over $4 per hour 'hero pay' ordinance"

So now the folks at those stores are now out of work...nice job, leftist a-holes....


https://www.foxbusiness.com/ec...s-hero-pay-ordinance

Got a guy in my area at work that bitched about his pay to me once. He’s lazy, hits the clock at 5 til every time but thinks he deserves more money. My response, “You want more money then make yourself more valuable.” He hasn’t said a word to me about it since. He makes $12/hour and he’s overpaid at that rate.

Right now there isn't even a need to push for a federal minimum wage of $15 - in part due to not needing it for elections as a talking point, but even more so minimum pay rates are increasingly pushing in most areas to $15 and beyond due to staffing shortages. Not sure if this was by design or not but gov certainly is not helping

Been hiring for multiple locations for months, and still not at our minimum staffing levels we want to hit, and our lowest pay rate is now at $14 per hour for unskilled labor - its all due to just staying competitive in hiring those that even want to work - a year ago I would never have believed the rates and staffing shortages we are going through now.

As far as a living wage - I certainly cannot see many being able to afford the homes, vehicles and toys being sold in this area but money(debt) is cheap right now

There's NO substitute for self motivation, initiative, preparation and training, and long years of dedicated concentrated hard work. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but for others, if you're a lazy son of a bitch, you don't deserve a living wage period. No work, no eat. No value, no home. No ambition, no-one can rely on you, family or otherwise. Lazy people are persons of low character, the best they can be are parasites, criminals, or both. I have zero, nada, respect for lazy ass slugs. There are exceptions of course, like physical and mental disabilities of all kinds, but if your're healthy, it mostly boils down to that from my own life experience and observations of success and failure in others. You're delt a hand of cards when you're born, and no matter how much those cards suck, that initial hand is just the beginning of the game. If you don't play your cards and work your ever living ass off to the bone for some part of your life, it's your fault. I have no sympathy for lazy people. Zero.

The minimum wage is pretty simple, it's what your worth is. Want more money, prove your worth. Take classes, work harder than others, be blessed with a decent IQ, or good luck. This is America, how many stories have you read about dishwashers to CEOs/business owners? Where else in the world is this an option? Why do you think people are willing to do anything to get here and participate in the American Dream? As much as I hate illegal immigration, I wish native born Americans had the willingness to cross a desert and risk robbery, rape, and death to make a better life for themselves.

You are worth what you're worth, no more.

I’m holding out for Yang & his grand a month for all. Better luck next time Andrew.

Since when did entry level no skill employment become a career option?

Roughly, the Clinton administration.

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Here in the east bay Of the San Francisco area, there are signs on every burger joint door that says now hiring between 15 and 17$ an hour to start.

Are those places national chains? If so, folks in places like West Virginia who dig coal and eat fast food subsidize that shit.

This shit makes me laugh, hard. My old hometown of West Hartford enacted a minimum wage hike. My favorite local grocery store just said fuck it and closed the doors. Now, that particular area is a food desert.

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Originally posted by egregore:
There are parts of the country where $15 an hour will barely pay even the cheapest rent. What will happen when $15 is found to still not be "enough?"

$15 is a lot of money contrary to what other say or think. With stable hours, A family of 2-3 with the wife earning at least the same should be able to get by. It's all about living within your means and management but everyone wants to get rich quick these days.