Has anyone wondered about Sanders living wage of 15 bucks? Back when he ran in 2016, he was pushing the same wage. I have to laugh since anything you buy today now costs much more than then....Heck fast food cost have sky rocketed. I can now in many cases get a sit down meal for less or a bit more than what you would pay for a McD's take out.
I can now see it won't be long and all my meals will come from home. Those tip numbers at the bottom of your dine in check are now up to 25%. Talk about crazy.....

I've always been a pretty generous tipper at restaurants. 20% is a starting point and if the service is even halfway decent it goes up from there. The reason being, hey, these folks don't make a hell of a lot to begin with. If the service completely sucks, then I'll drop it to maybe 10%. But if meal prices start going up due to a big hike in minimum wage, the tips are likely to start going down. Either that or I'll start eating out a lot less often. Either way, in the long run this may turn out to be a net loss for the servers, those who don't lose their jobs outright.

This thread make me appreciate my decision to go the "Hello Fresh" home-cooking route. I get three meals a week, which for me works out to six, at a cost of about $10 each. All the ingredients are fresh; all I need to do is some chopping and dicing. And the menu changes frequently. I haven't had a bad meal ever!

Minimum-wage jobs are not intended to be the money that supports a family. They are typically an entry-level job to make teenagers and college-age youths ready for better jobs that do pay a living wage. IMO, persons working minimum-wage jobs should not be marrying and starting families.

flashguy

crazy bernie won't stop with just $15/hr...

Minimum wage jobs are just that - jobs. They are not careers.

$15/hr was just an arbitrary number. There was never any real logic or justification for the number. The cost of living varies from state to state and city to city. It’s typically cheaper in smaller towns than the bigger cities. Just standard socialist BS masquerading as policy.

Who decides what a living wage is and what does that even mean? Does it mean supporting yourself or yourself and a family? Because, it ain't happening on $15 an hour. And what happens if you're employer reduces you're hours so that you're making the same as when you were making $8 an hour? And what about that guy at McDonald's that finally worked his way up to $15 an hour, does his pay automatically go up another $15
Just a few questions I'd like to ask the protesters.

The thing that is a little frustrating is how incredibly stupid the people who think a fifteen dollar minimum wage is a good idea are. Anyone who thinks about it for two seconds realizes that an employer *has* to make money off his of her employees. When you consider payroll taxes, worker’s compensation, sick time, any benefits offered, that fifteen dollar likely comes at a cost of twenty two dollars or more. If the company has to spend twenty two dollars for your work, your work product has to be worth more than that. Noticed the other day that the local Home Despot didn’t non-self-serve line open except the pro desk. When the cost of people goes up, you figure out how to get with less of them. Good luck finding an entry level job with a fifteen dollar minimum wage...

There are parts of the country where $15 an hour will barely pay even the cheapest rent. What will happen when $15 is found to still not be "enough?"

When OSU Coach Bryan Day gets his raise in June he will be making $16,438 a day.

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Originally posted by egregore:
There are parts of the country where $15 an hour will barely pay even the cheapest rent. What will happen when $15 is found to still not be "enough?"

There are parts of the country more expensive than that. It still doesn’t make any sense to destroy any chance of entry level jobs.

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Originally posted by flashguy:
Minimum-wage jobs are not intended to be the money that supports a family. They are typically an entry-level job to make teenagers and college-age youths ready for better jobs that do pay a living wage. IMO, persons working minimum-wage jobs should not be marrying and starting families.

flashguy

Exactly, the problem with raising the min wage is it kills youthful experience seeker jobs and creates adult loser jobs.

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Originally posted by smschulz:

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Originally posted by flashguy:
Minimum-wage jobs are not intended to be the money that supports a family. They are typically an entry-level job to make teenagers and college-age youths ready for better jobs that do pay a living wage. IMO, persons working minimum-wage jobs should not be marrying and starting families.

flashguy

Exactly, the problem with raising the min wage is it kills youthful experience seeker jobs and creates adult loser jobs.

Exactly. The minimum wage is always $0. If your skills aren't worth whatever the government mandates an employer has to pay you, you simply won't be hired.

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Originally posted by slosig:

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Originally posted by egregore:
There are parts of the country where $15 an hour will barely pay even the cheapest rent. What will happen when $15 is found to still not be "enough?"

There are parts of the country more expensive than that. It still doesn’t make any sense to destroy any chance of entry level jobs.

Parts of the country? Hell, I couldn't even afford a house better than 30 years ago if I only made $15 an hour then. These "professional" burger flippers need to get real, and find a job that pays more along the line of what they are worth. Even then, understand that they don't start at the top of the wage scale then. I and most others that I know, worked our way up, and that just doesn't happen working at McD's flipping freaking burgers!

I always thought flipping burgers, making fries and mopping floors were entry level jobs designed to help zero-skilled people like high school students make a few bucks during the summer to pay for gas money and beer

since when did flipping burgers become a career path to buying a house and putting 9 kids through college?

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
I always thought flipping burgers, making fries and mopping floors were entry level jobs designed to help zero-skilled people like high school students make a few bucks during the summer to pay for gas money and beer

since when did flipping burgers become a career path to buying a house and putting 9 kids through college?

When people graduated with useless undergraduate degrees and no prospect of a job in their chosen field.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
I always thought flipping burgers, making fries and mopping floors were entry level jobs designed to help zero-skilled people like high school students make a few bucks during the summer to pay for gas money and beer

since when did flipping burgers become a career path to buying a house and putting 9 kids through college?

There it is.

Such jobs, are titled as entry-level, if you're good and you gain the trust of your employer, you rise up in responsibility and get compensated for such. This CONCEPT has failed a number of people, who are either insistent that they're worth more than the actual job itself or, want to advocate for a much higher minimum but, didn't consider the 2/3 order effects.

Now we have self-serve check-outs and minimal work force retailers where machines (future soon) make/prepare/cook your food, or, sense the products in your bag when you walk-out the door; meanwhile those low-skilled individuals who weren't bright enough to get beyond entry-level, will have no job and are effectively useless.

I don't think it's so much that they aren't bright enough. They just aren't motivated enough.

I'm going back to my broken record response to government mandating 'any' wage in private industry. It's both unconstitutional and illegal. Government has no mandate or authority whatsoever to meddle in private industry like this. None. Until we return to that stance (which the country likely never will), we'll never be rid of this BS.