^^well stupid kids will be stupid kids.
Hell, my 20yo(then) called me before he called 911 when he was in a wreck because I’m his dad and I was a cop.

Here is an experienced guess: Based on the stabbings I saw as a cop, the person doing the stabbing often used a guard less knife which resulted in a self-inflicted hand wound. Or during the assault, the perp was injured. Then crime scene techs would have not only the blood of the victim, but the blood of the perp as well. The advanced DNA searching would then be conducted in hopes of gaining a DNA match. The timeline of events in Idaho would be about right for the needed lab work to ID a suspect. Now the main suspect is in custody, more DNA work should confirm the open-source DNA work.

I'm still trying to figure out how the 2 surviving room mates slept through the murders of 4 people in the house, which I think occurred in 3 different rooms in the house. Yes, they were sleeping on the top floor, but I gotta believe there had to have been a LOT of noise for several minutes.

Only thing I can figure is college students at 0300 on a Saturday night are probably passed out. That, and as I understand it, the two surviving girls were on the 1st floor with the murders happening on the 2nd and 3rd floors.

What I'm trying to figure out is why the killer didn't get them as well. I would love to know what exactly happened inside that house. My guess is that he had been stalking one or the other blonde. He went after her, and the other jumped in to try to help and he got her too (they apparently were found in the same bed). Why then go downstairs and kill the guy and his girl? And if you went that far, why not go downstairs again and kill the other two?

It don't make no sense. But then, neither does stabbing four people to death, so there's that.

Why does this murder, awful as it is, deserve national attention, as opposed to ALL of the ther murders that happen daily?

You ask why this one? Someone could ask why any other?

Man's inhumanity to man. It's something we all think about.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
Only thing I can figure is college students at 0300 on a Saturday night are probably passed out. That, and as I understand it, the two surviving girls were on the 1st floor with the murders happening on the 2nd and 3rd floors.

What I'm trying to figure out is why the killer didn't get them as well. I would love to know what exactly happened inside that house. My guess is that he had been stalking one or the other blonde. He went after her, and the other jumped in to try to help and he got her too (they apparently were found in the same bed). Why then go downstairs and kill the guy and his girl? And if you went that far, why not go downstairs again and kill the other two?

It don't make no sense. But then, neither does stabbing four people to death, so there's that.

Ahh, yeah, I thought the surviving room mates were on the top floor, but it looks like you're right, and the survivors were in the basement level.

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The four students were each stabbed multiple times in the torso and were likely ambushed in their sleep with a large fix-bladed knife between 3 a.m. and 4 a.m. on Nov. 13, according to the coroner and police.

Two surviving female roommates, who lived on the basement level, appeared to have slept through the gruesome attack.

Shortly before noon on Nov. 13, the roommates summoned friends to the house because they believed one of the victims on the second floor had passed out, authorities said.

Police responded to a 911 call reporting an unconscious person at 11:58 a.m. that originated from one of the surviving roommates' phones. The responding officers found the four victims on the second and third floors.

The Moscow Police Department released a detailed timeline of the victims' movements in the hours before and after the quadruple homicide.

Goncalves and Mogen went to a bar downtown, the Corner Club, before ordering food from the Grub Truck at around 1:40 a.m.

The women used a "third-party" driver and were home by 1:56 a.m., according to police.

Kernodle and her boyfriend, Chapin, went to a party at the Sigma Chi house on campus and returned to the King Road home at 1:45 a.m.

The Moscow Police Department, which is working with the FBI and the Idaho State Police, said that the attacks were "targeted."

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https://www.foxnews.com/us/ida...orcement-source-says

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Originally posted by KevinCW:
Why does this murder, awful as it is, deserve national attention, as opposed to ALL of the ther murders that happen daily?

Not sure why it 'deserves' national attention, but the reason it's receiving it is because they're Young Attractive Blonde Females!

It's national news because of the horrific nature of the crime. It is the type of crime that causes nightmares. Someone breaks into a home in the middle of the night and slaughters four people as they sleep and leaves. Isn't that why we keep a pistol on our nightstands? To defend against this type of crime if we are lucky enough to be awakened by something the murderer does to wake us up? I don't care if I lived in a straw hut in a jungle somewhere, I'd want to know about this even if only to learn the why, the who and the how to be better able to protect my family.

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Originally posted by Bulldog7972:
It's national news because of the horrific nature of the crime.

You've got it backwards. It's national news because the news outlets decided it was national news, because of the sensational, lurid nature of the crime, and the ad revenue these intellectually lazy sons o' bitches can rake in.

How do murders in freaking Idaho have any impact of any kind on people who do not live in the vicinity of these murders? "Nightmares" you say? Really? As if the prospect of being victim of such a crime did not exist in people's minds until four people got murdered in Idaho?

And "to learn the why, the who and the how to be better able to protect my family." Forgive me, but this makes no sense. How does knowing that four college students got stabbed to death increase your knowledge and ability to protect your family? Were you unaware until these Idaho murders that such things exist in the world, and that one must take reasonable precautions such as locking doors and possessing a firearm with which you have a degree of proficiency?

No, the plain truth of the matter is that the news media seized upon this story because it means that they don't really have to do any actual intellectual work, and because it is an easy ratings boost.

In turn, the mindless consumers of this sewage ate it up simply because it was there. If these stories hadn't been made out to be the most important thing going on in this nation, you wouldn't have had people clamoring for more.

The world is full of people lacking imagination and a healthy intellectual life and this has always been so. Always. So, the blame and responsibility for this circus rests with the gatekeepers of information in our society, who are supposed to know better (it is their actual profession to be more discriminating than the general public) and who have an obligation to operate at all times with integrity and objectivity, but who rarely demonstrate either.

I respectfully disagree. While I understand that the news media will sensationalize stories like this and more often than not get it wrong, as I said, I want to know more about it. We all can learn something from these cases even if that something is only that they exist. Many people do not. How many people in California slept with their windows open and their doors unlocked in California during the Golden State Killer era until they learned how the killer was getting into peoples homes? When they did learn how they stopped doing that.

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Originally posted by Bulldog7972:
We all can learn something from these cases even if that something is only that they exist.

That's a copout- saying that we all learned something when we heard about these murders. You can apply that to any news item regarding current events. It means nothing.

Any adult who was suddenly more diligent in protecting their family after learning of these murders murders, is a dullard. As if murders do not happen all the time in the world and that these Idaho murders are somehow more significant despite their distance from everybody but residents of the general area of the crime.

That's like driving for years and years without wearing a seatbelt, but because there was a pileup on an interstate highway halfway across the country from you, well, you better start wearing your seatbelt, because you just didn't realize the dangers until now.

We will have to agree to disagree I guess when it comes to this topic.

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Originally posted by Modern Day Savage:
I'm still trying to figure out how the 2 surviving room mates slept through the murders of 4 people in the house, which I think occurred in 3 different rooms in the house. Yes, they were sleeping on the top floor, but I gotta believe there had to have been a LOT of noise for several minutes.

When I was that age, being completely sober, no party the night before and still living at home, my mother burnt something in the kitchen. One of the smoke alarms in the house was on the wall outside my bedroom door. I slept through it.

I did a quick read about the Ted Bundy case this weekend.
He killed a large number of people out west over several years and most people never heard of him until the Sorority house murders in Florida at the end.
Similar to this. The story was all over the news because somehow more people could relate and would read (buy) the publication or watch it on the news (ad revenue).

Now that they've identified him, it will be interesting to see if there are older unsolved cases related to him.
No doubt they will go back through places he lived and traveled to before to see if anything else is there. This just seems to be a big step from no criminal record to such a violent event.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
I don't know about subscription TV "news" (Fox, CNN, MSNBC, etc.), but the broadcast TV networks' "news" shows all open with dramatic music. That, right there, is a Clue as to what you can expect for "news" coverage.

I've referred to it as "Poorly-scripted reality TV" and "Entertainment billed as 'news'" for years.

The local TV "news" is no better. Most nights the one we catch at 10 o'clock (mainly for the weather--we pay little attention to the rest) opens with a red screen upon which is emblazoned "BREAKING NEWS." Eight or nine times out of ten that "breaking news" is about Yet Another Shooting In Detroit.

If it's a regular occurrence it's not "news," breaking or otherwise. It's just another day in the life. News would be the City of Detroit going a few days without a shooting, carjacking, store robbery, etc.

(To that last point: It's kind of hilarious, in a sad kind of a way. They'll open "news" broadcast after "news" broadcast after "news" broadcast with stories about yet more crime and violence in the City of Detroit, then follow it up, later in those same broadcasts, with "feel good" stories about Detroit's "comeback." The dichotomy between these two themes seems to escape them entirely.)

Ahhh, WDIV, channel 4 news presentation at it’s zenith….

If you are interested in the topic read Douglas, The Mind Hunters. He is a profiler for the FBI serial crimes unit. Bundy was a very good looking guy and knew how to manipulate women. He drove a VW beatle and at times used crutches to gain sympathy. This guy is creepy looking,but who knows. i do not see evidence of serial killing with this guy. Maybe it will come out later.

I’m having trouble understanding how someone who hasn’t loaded his DNA into a data base believes that the investigative process is a violation of his privacy.

If I were an investigator with DNA left at the scene by the presumed perpetrator, my comparisons would be to the DNA of the people who put their information out for public view. If the perpetrator never did that, then I couldn’t identify him directly, but it could give me an idea of where to start looking for the perpetrator. (If he did, then by putting it out for public access he would have no privacy claim after the fact.)

I once found a 357 SIG cartridge case in my small town that had obviously been fired in a Glock pistol. If it had been found at the scene of a murder, how would that case have been used in the investigation? Because it was an unusual combination of gun and cartridge, I’d pursue it as a lead. Even if I couldn’t get any private information about people who purchased such a gun, I could go on line to see if anyone publicly posted about owning such a gun, and especially if they posted any self-identifying information such as a location “High in the Rocky Mountains.”

If I found that Bill X. posted on the GatForum.com that he had a 357 SIG model 31 Glock and that he lived in High Altitude, Colorado, I would focus my attention on Mr. X: Did he match the description given of someone running from the scene; did he know the victim; etc.? Another investigative technique might be to try to recover a discarded cartridge case that I knew he fired with his gun to have it compared with the one found at the crime scene. At some point he would be interviewed about whatever the investigation discovered. None of that, however, would involve violating X’s right to privacy or other Fourth Amendment protections.

If I use a comparison of DNA found at a crime scene with DNA profiles in a public data base to focus my investigation on particular individual, that’s not a violation of the suspect’s privacy. As I alluded to earlier, the people whose DNA I compared my sample to might object, but the perpetrator has no basis to object (at least not now).

I murder a number of people with letter bombs and my manifesto gets published in a newspaper. My brother reads the manifesto, thinks, “That’s my brother,” and then notifies the FBI of his suspicion, the FBI’s use of that lead to focus on me isn’t any violation of my rights. I leave DNA at a crime scene, it gets used to focus the investigation on relatives of someone whose DNA is in a public data base, that’s no violation of anything either—at least not now. Legislation or a court case could shut down that process, but it’s legal (and absolutely appropriate and laudable, IMO) now.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ida...g-video-images-hands

A Federal Bureau of Investigation surveillance team tracked Idaho quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger and his father on a cross-country road trip from Washington State to Pennsylvania and asked Indiana police to pull him over, a law enforcement source told Fox News.

The law enforcement source told Fox News that the FBI surveillance team was seeking video images of Kohberger as well as his hands.

Bryan Kohberger and his father were pulled over twice in Indiana on Dec. 15 while making the cross-country trip.

The law enforcement source said that investigators were still building their case on Dec. 15 to make an arrest, but added that genealogy played a major role.

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Bryan Kohberger is back in state of Washington now. The suspected killer left on a Pennsylvania State Police Pilatus PC-12 single-engine turbo-prop plane, which has a range of 1,800 nautical miles and a max speed of more than 300 MPH

Judge issues gag order going forward.

https://www.westernjournal.com...se-media-wont-happy/