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Originally posted by Crom:
I was a patron of some of these guys.
I just closed my Patreon account.
Patreon seemed convenient, but there are other ways to support creators.

Ditto; told those I support why, and said I’d consider reasonable alternatives.

What a joke Patreon is.
I dropped it a month ago or so. So far it only hurts the content creators but hopefully it will bring Patreon to an end.

Peter Thiel founded PayPal, is a Trump supporter, even spoke at the RNC in Cleveland in support of Trump in 2016.
Eric Weinstein, one of the chief characters in the Intellectual Dark Web, works for Thiel.

I wonder how he reconciles his support for conservatism with his participation in the Silicon Valley version of the Spanish Inquisition?

Is everyone with money who might fund true free-speech alternatives to these slimeballs afraid of them and their snowflake supporters?

This has become a problem 2nd to border security. Time to get Trump working to break up the monopolies like FB, Google especially, and others. A kick in the wallet can fix a lot of things.

The fake news Trump goes off on daily is equivalent to the problems we experience with these companies - in principle at least.

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Originally posted by Jimineer:
This has become a problem 2nd to border security. Time to get Trump working to break up the monopolies like FB, Google especially, and others. A kick in the wallet can fix a lot of things.

The fake news Trump goes off on daily is equivalent to the problems we experience with these companies - in principle at least.

Do you really want government handling this kind of issue? Wouldn’t you prefer a free market to decide and allow citizens to choose of their own volition?

Have you ever heard the term often used in the military about “once of weapon is designed our enemies will have it 15 years later“?

If you decide to use the government in this way, it will eventually come back and bite you in the ass.

Companies come and go all the time; often replaced by better more innovative competition. Have you seen what happened to Sears? Where is IBM? Look at apple - somebody will eventually replace it. $1100 phones are stupid and for poor people on gooberment subsidies.

Have confidence and capitalism in the free market man. Don’t be a fan of government regulation. We have enough already.

I don't know how you would break them up anyway. Facebook works because it has a critical mass of users on it. If you broke it up, all the users would end up sloshing onto one of the new ones, whichever became more popular, and the other would just die. So it would be back where it started.

As for Patreon, that's a different story. Given it's nature it would be easy to replace. It doesn't need a critical mass, it just needs enough cash flowing through it. Just make a similar site that performs the same function. If a few right minded people did it, and got all the conservative Youtubers to use it, what Patreon wants wouldn't matter.

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Originally posted by Jimineer:
This has become a problem 2nd to border security. Time to get Trump working to break up the monopolies like FB, Google especially, and others. A kick in the wallet can fix a lot of things.

The fake news Trump goes off on daily is equivalent to the problems we experience with these companies - in principle at least.

The story has now gone mainstream:

Jordan B. Peterson, Dave Rubin ditch crowdfunding site Patreon to stand up for free speech

I have just written to the sole Patreon content provider I subscribe to. I have informed him of my intent to cancel my subscription, and asked him to consider an alternate form of generating revenue. In his latest broadcast he announced some technical issues he was having with Patreon, so he may be receptive to the idea of moving to a more content-friendly platform.

This is a broadcaster who wishes to go full time producing music programs. He's gone from offering free streaming to downloadable content (via Patreon) for paying customers. Certainly there are other companies offering similar services?

One issue is that this fellow is not American. The concept of free speech may not resonate with him as it does with us, because the rest of the world doesn't have this freedom as we know it. But I have put him and his followers on notice, and right now, that's hoping for something.

The Internet Media Cartel is only going to get worse as 2020 approaches.

The only result these morons are doing is forcing more regulation on something that should be self regulated. Thank you for poisoning the well you bunch of ignorant elitists.

This video is a few weeks old, but pertains to this thread. I watched about the first half of it before I got bored, but take a listen to at least the first few minutes. It will be interesting to see where this whole thing goes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhCp4KbJAXw

There has always been a free market solution to this problem. Anyone who does content creation can create their own site, charge what they want to and be in complete control of their own content.

That way their is no censorship, no chance of their material being used in a manner they don't like etc... Nothing is ever free.

I had hopes for Patreon but in the end creators need to quit being lazy and/or quit expecting "free" platforms to host their product. Set up your own site and survive or not. 100% free market solution.

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Originally posted by mark_a:
There has always been a free market solution to this problem. Anyone who does content creation can create their own site, charge what they want to and be in complete control of their own content.

That way their is no censorship, no chance of their material being used in a manner they don't like etc... Nothing is ever free.

I had hopes for Patreon but in the end creators need to quit being lazy and/or quit expecting "free" platforms to host their product. Set up your own site and survive or not. 100% free market solution.

Problem with this is that all services you buy have “Terms and Conditions” or Community Standards somewhere. Your host provider or fiber provider. No content creator can ever truly own their conduit. Just pay month to month (or annually) at the pleasure of the provider.

They’ll invent whatever excuse they need to in order to bounce you.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
The story has now gone mainstream:

Jordan B. Peterson, Dave Rubin ditch crowdfunding site Patreon to stand up for free speech

But for this thread, I would have never known this was going on. I don’t know who these two guys are, but I just made donations to their websites.

You hear the calls for banks and credit card companies to start tracking and/or denying gun and ammo purchases.

We need the ability to purchase without our financing ovwrlords telling what is and isn’t ok to buy.

We need to help these guys create this new platform. Sounds like they are mainly looking to build a platform for pledges, but I don’t see why it couldn’t be morphed into a platform like Apple/google Pay or PayPal if cc companies try to tell us we can no longer buy guns with their cards.

I’d love to see a financial platform that protects freedom.

So Rubin live streamed himself trying to delete his Patreon account awhile ago, and it was a disaster even bigger than the infamous The Young Turks election-night meltdown.

First of all, his number of Patreon donors and the donation total amount was going up, due to trolls. He was expecting it to drop as his supporters left Patreon and donated to him directly instead - I donate directly. He was drunk, and cursing as the numbers went up over the course of 2+ hours. Eventually, when he was ready to delete the account he had to jump through a bunch of hoops on the Patreon account manger site, accidentally revealed his personal email address multiple times, had someone off camera try to tell him his password out load, to which he called them an idiot, and ultimately the deletion failed due to an error. I felt bad for him because of the huge risk he's taking, but it was comical none the less.

To see most of the highlights, you can just scroll until you see the Patreon webpage on screen and play those sections, especially starting about at about 1:16. Also, the actual deletion attempt starts at about 2:30.




Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrmtlP9-b0Y

When the "trolls" try to troll you by donating more money, I would just say "OK, I am delaying my exit for one month. New contributors, please go to my website."

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Originally posted by fpuhan:
I need to look into this more. I am a Patreon member paying for a podcast-type service that I truly enjoy. Prior to this service moving to Patreon I had never heard of them.

Now, it seems like they're in the same mold as the Google/Facebook/Twitter fascists.

I'll have to decide if I withdraw my funding for my favorite podcast, or turn a blind eye.

How ‘bout contacting your favorite podcast and telling them that, “ I’d like to continue supporting You, but I refuse to support Patreon. Do you have any other ways to support you? Thanks.”

why not just write them a check

you know, that paper thing you can get from most banks

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
why not just write them a check

you know, that paper thing you can get from most banks

Playing electronically is much much easier. Even more so if you set up recurring payments. That being said, most of the "creators" leaving Patreon allow you to donate directly to them via their website. Patreon serves a purpose, but it's not worth the cost in freedom/censorship.

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Originally posted by slosig:
How ‘bout contacting your favorite podcast and telling them that, “ I’d like to continue supporting You, but I refuse to support Patreon. Do you have any other ways to support you? Thanks.”

Great idea.
That's exactly what I have done. Everyone I have contacted also has a paypal route or their own website.