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prosecutors' lack of a say in whether a defendant in Maryland can elect a bench trial


The right to trial by peers is the DEFENDANT'S right... not the People's or the States. You can't FORCE somebody to exercise their right.

A bench trial SHOULD usually favor the prosecution... unless they've totally screwed up.



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The right to trial by peers is the DEFENDANT'S right... not the People's or the States. You can't FORCE somebody to exercise their right.

A bench trial SHOULD usually favor the prosecution... unless they've totally screwed up.


You are forgetting this is the case where folks were compelled to testify AGAINST their 5th amendment right.
So this thought process by her is not so far out there.


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I thought this story was over but more crap keeps coming out. Mosby set the bail for the officers very high.


This is another common abuse of our criminal “justice” system. The purpose of the bail bond system is supposed to be to ensure that the defendant will appear in court and not flee. The likelihood of flight is what should be evaluated in setting the bond, but all too often prosecutors simply focus on the seriousness of the crime as if the defendant had already been convicted. Yes, it’s more likely someone will skip out if he’s looking at life in prison than a couple of years, but that should be only part of the circumstances to be considered.

And of course the whole claim that a defendant “caused” riots—something he cannot even be criminally charged with—is even less justifiable: Again, prosecutors will do these things to enhance the punishment just on the assumption that someone is guilty, and unfortunately judges seem to be just as oblivious as to what the bail bond system is all about.




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David confirmed that she had resigned from the office and said she will be joining the office of state Sen. Bobby Zirkin, a Democrat from Baltimore County, as his chief of staff.
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prosecutors' lack of a say in whether a defendant in Maryland can elect a bench trial


The right to trial by peers is the DEFENDANT'S right... not the People's or the States. You can't FORCE somebody to exercise their right.

A bench trial SHOULD usually favor the prosecution... unless they've totally screwed up.


Ahhh, no. The defendant has the right to insist on a jury, but may waive it. There is no "right" to a judge trial. In some states, courts have held that the state has a right to have a jury trial notwithstanding the defendant's waiver.

This doesn't force someone to exercise their right.

A trial shouldn't favor either side. It has happened that some defendants, powerful politicians come to mind, want to be tried by "friendly judges" in corruption cases.




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[QUOTE]Zayon, a former prosecutor, said Mosby secured the high bail amount in part by making unsubstantiated claims to the court commissioner that Nero helped cause the rioting that followed Gray's funeral.

According to the state's bail recommendation for Nero, which attorneys for the other officers said mirrored those filed against their clients, Mosby's office wrote, "Because of the defendant's actions, not only did a young man lose his life, but the social contract that holds our community together was destroyed, helping to cause Baltimore to descend into chaos and violence.

"The facts of this case demonstrate the defendant's utter lack of regard for the safety and well-being of others, causing the State to strongly believe that the defendant is a danger to the community," Mosby's office wrote.

Zayon called the claim "irresponsible and offensive,"

http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne...-20160805-story.html


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This is another reason Mosby should be disbarred. Abuse of the bail system as punishment, and lying to obtain that high bail amount.


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This is a start, I hope they get a lot more from a lawsuit.

In Baltimore, Maryland, the highest officer acquitted in the Freddie Gray case is slated to receive approximately $127,000 in back pay.

The city’s Board of Estimates is set to give Lt. Brian S. Rice $126,916, reports the Baltimore Sun. Rice was exonerated of manslaughter and misconduct, among other charges in the Freddie Gray case. According to the board schedule, the sum “represents the amount of salary that Mr. Rice would have earned for the period of May 1, 2015 through July 18, 2016.”


http://dailycaller.com/2016/08...ay-case-gets-127000/
 
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The DoJ investigated Baltimore Police Department. The DoJ report was just published.

link:

http://civilrights.baltimoreci...D%20Report-FINAL.pdf

The report concludes that BPD engages in conduct that violates Constitution or federal law.

(1) making unconstitutional stops, searches, and arrests

(2) using enforcement strategies that produce severe and unjustified disparities in the rates of stops, searches, and arrest of African Americans

(3) using excessive force

(4) retaliating against people engaging in constitutionally protected expression

The report noted that officers recorded more than 300,000 pedestrian stops from January 2010 to May 2015. Roughly 44 percent were made in two small, predominantly African-American districts that contain 11 percent of the city's population, and seven black men were stopped more than 30 times each.

Black pedestrians were 37 percent more likely to be searched by Baltimore police citywide and 23 percent more likely to be searched during vehicle stops

not from the report , but keeping the "unjustified" statistics in mind, here are the 2015 Baltimore homicide maps for white victims and black victims.



2015 White Homicide victims



2015 Black Homicide Victims


The plots explain the stats. and then some
 
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According to the state's bail recommendation for Nero, which attorneys for the other officers said mirrored those filed against their clients, Mosby's office wrote, "Because of the defendant's actions, not only did a young man lose his life, but the social contract that holds our community together was destroyed, helping to cause Baltimore to descend into chaos and violence.

"The facts of this case demonstrate the defendant's utter lack of regard for the safety and well-being of others, causing the State to strongly believe that the defendant is a danger to the community," Mosby's office wrote.....


I might suggest the social contract holding the community together was destroyed long ago by believing the victim/entitlement lie, which lie is perpetuated by Mosby.




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The 4 officers who had been suspended w/o pay have now all been granted back pay.

Back pay:

$126,916 for LT Rice

$87,705 for Ofc Goodson

$98,855 for Sgt White

$70,523 for Ofc Porter

http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne...-20160822-story.html
 
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I'll be that really pisses off the cop haters in Baltimore city government.
 
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Marilyn Mosby forms new unit to prosecute gun offenders

http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne...-20160914-story.html

Baltimore's two top law enforcement officials are assembling a team of "elite" prosecutors and police detectives to secure convictions against violent gun offenders, they said Wednesday.

What is being called the Gun Violence Enforcement Division, to be housed within the office of Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn J. Mosby, could involve as many as 13 prosecutors.

Authorities have created similar partnerships in the past, but Mosby said the new team will have the added benefit of intelligence gathered in the last year — including a list of 602 identified "trigger pullers" — to target specific individuals.

It will be organized to mirror the EXILE program used by federal prosecutors, officials said. That program aims to attach long prison sentences to gun crimes .

Davis said police and prosecutors already know who is responsible for gun violence in Baltimore. The new team, he said, will "ensure that every aspect of that case is the highest, highest quality, so when it gets into a courtroom, we can have a successful resolution.

"It is very difficult to get a conviction when the victim identifies a guy and then at trial says, 'That's not the guy that shot me,' which is quintessential Baltimore."

Mosby said the "dismal" closure rate for nonfatal shootings, which currently stands at 22 percent , and the recent shootings of young children, teenagers and elderly residents motivated her to launch the new team.

Fraling said the effort will need strong attorneys and focus to be successful.

"So many quality individuals have left the office," he said. "It doesn't mean there are not still quality people there, but if she's going to go forward with that initiative and wants it to be successful, she's got to staff it with quality people."

Mosby said she is still in the process of selecting prosecutors, but has "the most talented prosecutors in the country" working for her.

really ???

I wonder if Schatzow and Bledsoe will be on the elite prosecutor team?

many prosecutors quit Mosby's team or were fired by Mosby

but I do hope the new team is successful and runs up a high conviction rate of the most violent criminals. Maybe Obama won't let them go as fast as they are convicted
 
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Marilyn Mosby forms new unit to prosecute gun offenders

http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne...-20160914-story.html

Baltimore's two top law enforcement officials are assembling a team of "elite" prosecutors and police detectives to secure convictions against violent gun offenders, they said Wednesday.

What is being called the Gun Violence Enforcement Division, to be housed within the office of Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn J. Mosby, could involve as many as 13 prosecutors.

Authorities have created similar partnerships in the past, but Mosby said the new team will have the added benefit of intelligence gathered in the last year — including a list of 602 identified "trigger pullers" — to target specific individuals.

It will be organized to mirror the EXILE program used by federal prosecutors, officials said. That program aims to attach long prison sentences to gun crimes .

Davis said police and prosecutors already know who is responsible for gun violence in Baltimore. The new team, he said, will "ensure that every aspect of that case is the highest, highest quality, so when it gets into a courtroom, we can have a successful resolution.

"It is very difficult to get a conviction when the victim identifies a guy and then at trial says, 'That's not the guy that shot me,' which is quintessential Baltimore."

Mosby said the "dismal" closure rate for nonfatal shootings, which currently stands at 22 percent , and the recent shootings of young children, teenagers and elderly residents motivated her to launch the new team.

Fraling said the effort will need strong attorneys and focus to be successful.

"So many quality individuals have left the office," he said. "It doesn't mean there are not still quality people there, but if she's going to go forward with that initiative and wants it to be successful, she's got to staff it with quality people."

Mosby said she is still in the process of selecting prosecutors, but has "the most talented prosecutors in the country" working for her.

really ???

I wonder if Schatzow and Bledsoe will be on the elite prosecutor team?

many prosecutors quit Mosby's team or were fired by Mosby

but I do hope the new team is successful and runs up a high conviction rate of the most violent criminals. Maybe Obama won't let them go as fast as they are convicted


WTF? It should be readily apparent right now that the these offenders will dis-proportionally represent minority groups and that if they are successful the press will vilify the program. Do these idiots not even recognize the mess their past actions have resulted in wrt law enforcement programs?


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She should be working on her letter of resignation.


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Mosby and Baltimore mayor fighting


http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne...-20160928-story.html

Rawlings-Blake accuses Mosby of bowing to political pressure, charging Baltimore officers too soon

Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake blasted Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby Wednesday, accusing the prosecutor of rushing to charge the officers accused in Freddie Gray's death before completing a thorough investigation.

Rawlings-Blake said Mosby had the option of telling the public she needed more time last spring to conduct a careful and complete investigation, rather than immediately announcing charges that resulted in no convictions.

Rawlings-Blake's blistering comments came after the New York Times Magazine on Wednesday published an in-depth profile of Mosby and her reflections on failing to convict the six officers involved in the case of Gray

Mosby said as riots erupted, she called Rawlings-Blake and was "livid."

"I had told them this was going to happen, because they were exacerbating distrust," Mosby said. She said she "screamed" at Rawlings-Blake: "You have single-handedly caused what's happening in this city right now."

Mosby said she hung up on the mayor.

Mosby is planning to release, along with a group of other prosecutors from around the country, a set of recommendations that would give prosecutors more independence and authority to investigate police misconduct, according to the magazine.

The mayor, a former public defender, said she is not the one to blame for an ineffective prosecution.

"I cannot force her to use her best judgment and then decide how long to investigate and when to bring charges. She did that on her own," Rawlings-Blake said.

The magazine article also portrays the marriage between Marilyn Mosby and City Councilman Nick Mosby as strained, saying a "chasm" between them was created when she took office and widened when he launched an unsuccessful bid for mayor.

"There's always going to be some level of disconnect there," Nick is quoted as saying in the article. "I don't see it ever returning back to the level where it was."

The officers were honored at a conservative media gala in Washington last week, with Rice, Miller and Nero receiving a standing ovation.


Definitely worth a read:
link to NY Times Magazine article;

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10...-baltimore.html?_r=0

A third of Mosby's staff left.

Suffice it to say that from the perspective of a cop, the replacement of so many veteran prosecutors with new attorneys has been frustrating. “They have seriously depleted the top end,” a police lieutenant with three decades of experience told me, “and the result is that nobody knows what they’re doing.”

the partnership between the police and prosecutors in Baltimore is broken.

One of the most discouraging statistics in Baltimore has been a 63 percent increase in homicides last year. As I asked about this, I watched the cop’s face twist into a frown

“Absolutely,” she said. “You should get used to 300 murders a year."

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This is typical, they always turn on each other when their political positions collide. The mayor is catching heat, so she's blaming her ex-buddy Mosby for that.

Anyone that thinks the mayor didn't have a hand in that malicious prosecution is just naive.

And that special prosecutors unit for gun crime is just another political ploy. IF it even comes together, they won't prosecute gun crimes. Baltimore consistently dismisses or lets the criminals plead to lesser offenses instead of prosecuting for gun crimes. They don't need a special unit, they just need to prosecute the crimes they have.
 
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Marilyn Mosby forms new unit to prosecute gun offenders

http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne...-20160914-story.html

Baltimore's two top law enforcement officials are assembling a team of "elite" prosecutors and police detectives to secure convictions against violent gun offenders, they said Wednesday.

What is being called the Gun Violence Enforcement Division, to be housed within the office of Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn J. Mosby, could involve as many as 13 prosecutors.

Authorities have created similar partnerships in the past, but Mosby said the new team will have the added benefit of intelligence gathered in the last year — including a list of 602 identified "trigger pullers" — to target specific individuals.

It will be organized to mirror the EXILE program used by federal prosecutors, officials said. That program aims to attach long prison sentences to gun crimes .

Davis said police and prosecutors already know who is responsible for gun violence in Baltimore. The new team, he said, will "ensure that every aspect of that case is the highest, highest quality, so when it gets into a courtroom, we can have a successful resolution.

"It is very difficult to get a conviction when the victim identifies a guy and then at trial says, 'That's not the guy that shot me,' which is quintessential Baltimore."

Mosby said the "dismal" closure rate for nonfatal shootings, which currently stands at 22 percent , and the recent shootings of young children, teenagers and elderly residents motivated her to launch the new team.

Fraling said the effort will need strong attorneys and focus to be successful.

"So many quality individuals have left the office," he said. "It doesn't mean there are not still quality people there, but if she's going to go forward with that initiative and wants it to be successful, she's got to staff it with quality people."

Mosby said she is still in the process of selecting prosecutors, but has "the most talented prosecutors in the country" working for her.

really ???

I wonder if Schatzow and Bledsoe will be on the elite prosecutor team?

many prosecutors quit Mosby's team or were fired by Mosby

but I do hope the new team is successful and runs up a high conviction rate of the most violent criminals. Maybe Obama won't let them go as fast as they are convicted


WTF? It should be readily apparent right now that the these offenders will dis-proportionally represent minority groups and that if they are successful the press will vilify the program. Do these idiots not even recognize the mess their past actions have resulted in wrt law enforcement programs?


No shit. What a racist ass bitch. The program will end up targeting 90% black, 7% Hispanics, 2% white, and 1% other. I can't wait to see what happens when she realizes that of the 602 "trigger pullers" they have identified 583 are black.



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Wow, when Mayor "We are giving them room to destroy" throws you under the bus, you are really and truly screwed.
 
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If you read the NY Times Magazine article linked above, it is clear Mosby is paying a heavy price for her actions.

BTW the author paints her in a positive light, and implies the cops did injure Gray.

It is incomprehensible to me that anyone who followed the trials would not see how fabricated the charges were. Now because of Mosby, all the extra deaths in Baltimore are occurring from the "Ferguson" effect that she created.
 
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