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I've done a little sailing on the Great Lakes, so not a complete novice. Would someone tell me why you would ship a vessel on another vessel when said vessel is easily capable of circumnavigating the globe? It's gotta be cheaper / more rewarding to just sail the damn thing to the regatta, right?! | |||
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Wait, let me shed tears over some rich asshole's toy. . . . . OK, all done. | |||
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Similar to the reason they don't drive race cars to the tracks. Wear and tear. Place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark. “If in winning a race, you lose the respect of your fellow competitors, then you have won nothing” - Paul Elvstrom "The Great Dane" 1928 - 2016 | |||
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For a number of reasons. Generally it is less wear and tear on the vessel. The freighters usually can maintain a much better schedule, once it is loaded and underway than a sailing yacht. But the shipping companies will tell you they have a freighter in 2 weeks and string owners along a lot of times. You can give the crew their scheduled vacation time without interrupting the yachts schedule. It generally costs about the same as the expenses to run it there (at least on a motoryacht). And, in a lot of cases (not this one), the yacht is too small to make the crossing on it's own bottom. While it may be some rich persons toy, it is still someone's property, just on a larger scale. Also about 12 crew members, whose full time job and residence (crew live on board a vessel that size, it is their home), just evaporated and they're without a job or place to live and they're not rich. A vessel of this size, employs a lot of people between the 12 +/- full time employees and all of the parts/subcontractors/yards/repair workers that fix things on it. It's probably running a $3-5 million a year budget, that is being spent on these items and giving people jobs, just like a small business of that expense and budget. For example, the yachting industry is Fort Lauderdale's biggest industry (larger than even tourism) and contributes $10.8 Billion $ a year to the Fort Lauderdale economy and that's just repairs, dockage, and the parts and pieces they buy. | |||
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That would make a lot of bullets! הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | |||
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Maybe enough to have to reopen that last lead smelter... Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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Unless my math is wrong, that's about $55K. And I suspect a lot of work to extract it. You only have integrity once. - imprezaguy02 | |||
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Link to picture of the yacht loaded on the freighter before heading out..  | |||
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At Jacob's Well |
I'm sure there's video from a deck camera somewhere. J Rak Chazak Amats | |||
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No, it's easy. The bottom skeg that the boat is resting on in the pictures is where ALL of the lead is. Jut cut it off. | |||
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Why on earth is the cradle so tall? It's an order of magnitude taller than the white sail boat. I do have a background in oil & gas logistics, and have shipped fabricated items much larger and heavier than that boat. The tall cradle loaded at the edge of the deck is a recipe for disaster. Double whammy from the boat's high center of gravity and its CG being so far from the ship's center of gravity. I'd much rather be the owner of the white sail boat with the lower shipping cradle, it's starboard to port orientation, and sailboat's CG much closer to the ship's CG. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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It has a long skeg. | |||
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My Song Specs. Note the draft. I suspect that the keel retracts into a well but even so I would guess it only loses half the draft in the process so maybe ~ 11 feet IF it retracts. L.O.A. 39.62 m D.W.L. 36.78 m BEAM 8.52 m DRAFT 7.00 m DISPLACEMENT 105,000 kg BALLAST Approx. 36,250 kg Place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark. “If in winning a race, you lose the respect of your fellow competitors, then you have won nothing” - Paul Elvstrom "The Great Dane" 1928 - 2016 | |||
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A well-insured toy | |||
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"Suspected Weapons & Ammunition trafficker claims 237,391,113 forty-five caliber bullets were lost in a 'boating accident'. BATF and US Customs agents are investigating." www.bullshooterrickroller.com  ____________________ | |||
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Northern Marine launched a 85' about 4-5 years back, it turned turtle and rolled over on launch due to not having enough ballast and one of the travel lift wheels getting stuck. HOWEVER, they put approximately 3.4 million, 9mm lead bullets (60,000 lbs) cast into fiberglass resin in the keel for ballast. Talk about a complete waste of ammunition. | |||
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That settles it. They needed to use 10mm. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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Just looking at the picture, Im going to say "Space". It looks like the stern of the "My Song" is sitting over the bow of the smaller sail boat behind it. It looks like there's (at least) another 2 sailboats just port of "My Song" as well. Im no expert, but I wouldn't have loaded the ship like that. ______________________________________________________________________ "When its time to shoot, shoot. Dont talk!" “What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” —Author Tom Clancy | |||
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Interesting. A quick look at that page and many of the pictures were taken down. It's all over but the lawsuit. The owner is going to look to collect from the shipper, and the shipper is saying it was the fault of the owner's provided cradle. It should be a good legal battle. If it's not settled it could end up costing more to litigate than the value of the boat.  "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Generally when they load yachts on ships, they are inches away from each other. Usually always less than a foot, between each yacht at the closest places. They are loaded in certain orientations and places due to several factors. Mainly for the stability of the ship, the weight has to be in a certain area depending on the weights of the actual yachts. Also most times, these ships unload and load yachts in 6 +/- different ports along the voyage, so that comes into play so they can unload these 3 in Port 1, load 1 in Port 1, and don't have to move, and re-secure the ones that are already on deck. I have been doing freighter loadings and unloadings since 2003 for all of the largest yacht shipping companies. I've done upwards of 1000 of them. By freighter loading, I run the yachts to or from the ship to a marina. If a yacht ships from the MED to the West Coast US, it is on 2 different ships, so all of those get unloaded from the first ship, taken to a marina (by me) to wait for the second ship to arrive, then get taken (by me) to the second ship to get loaded. Generally they will unload 40-60 yachts (the entire ship) and then load 40-60 yachts in 3-4 days time and it sets sail, that's everything (welding the cradles to the deck of the ship, strapping them down, unwelding cradles, craning them on and off of the ship, etc.) But I have to get onto the ship most times and see all of the goings on, and how everything is done, etc. etc. Here's a website with pictures and the schedule, scroll down, so you can see how tight they're normally loaded and also how many stops a single ship will have to load and unload them on once voyage. Here is a link to the worlds largest yacht shipper https://www.sevenstar-yacht-transport.com/ The draft on MY SONG was 15' with the keel in the up position. That's just to the waterline, to the gunnel was even higher. | |||
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