Without the faith it can happen, we can't recover. Pessimism doesn't help.

Is "I hope so" an acceptable response?

I'm an optimist and my life has spanned some pretty bad times where we recovered... Vietnam era (Jane Fonda and her hippie ilk), Carter era ills (19% mortgage rates, etc.) that Reagan fixed. I honestly believe that Trump can undo a bunch of the shit storm that Biden has put us in. I also believe that when people see the common sense approach that Trump will take causes goodness to the economy and society. Trump will close our borders and hopefully be able to implement mass deportation get our asses out of needless wars. I'm seeing a lot of good come our way in many sectors if he's elected.

I was looking into Yuri Bezmenov, KGB defector from the 80's.
This 1985 interview is pretty accurate as to what's happening today.

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Originally posted by mrvmax:
So what is my point? First, we can still enjoy life. We should not let it ruin what we do have. Enjoy your life despite the problems.

Absolutely! I like to complain about current politics and attitudes as much as the next guy, but we are still living lives of comfort and abundance that most humans to have ever walked the Earth (and many who currently do) could never have imagined.

For the sake of my grandkids, I hope so but it's going to take some time. I'll be 65 in May, I hope to live long enough to do my part whatever that maybe.
I think about this often and I keep our great country in my daily prayers because we will need all the help we can get.

If by 'recover' you mean go back to what we were, the answer is no, but that's always the case. America is ever-changing. We don't go backwards.

If, however, you mean can we get past the ridiculous social contagions infecting our society, the answer is yes. In this respect, I don't just think we can recover; I know we can recover, because society in it present condition is unsustainable. At the ever-increasing rate of stupidity we are experiencing, we shall soon reach a point where the system will cease to function. The resulting collapse will necessitate people exercising common sense and at that point, all the nonsense will be pushed aside, forcefully, most likely.

It must be so, or we will cease to exist, and that's not on the schedule for the foreseeable future, no matter what the doomsayers (who are ever-present in the world) predict.

Not without a great deal of bloodshed

You have to start at home though.
I'm on my second (and last) batch of teens.
A lot more effort now it seems to constantly try and wipe that shit out and put out the correct, factual information.

But they have all maintained my values, which were my parents and grandparents values.
My daughter turns 18 just before the election, lots of work to do..

Something to ponder. Getting past this concept would devalue the currency of victimhood and would open a doorway to normalcy.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/s.../1783727565989134488

Good points from everyone, thanks for your input.

As posted already, our country has been through some rough times and recovered. Personally, I think what Para stated is what may play out “The resulting collapse will necessitate people exercising common sense and at that point, all the nonsense will be pushed aside, forcefully, most likely.”

I’m hoping our financial collapse will happen closer to the end of my life. I’ve been saving all my life and I would like to retire at some point. If everything I have saved over my life is worthless, I am not sure how that would play out.

This song seems appropriate: A Country Boy Will Survive

Can we recover? Yes! Will we? I am not very confident.

I don't believe we are on the cusp of a Civil War with left vs right, but I believe we are headed for something akin to the French Revolution. The powerful elites (to differentiate from the benign wealthy) have become overtly uncaring in their quest for ever more power. There are many parallels to the French Revolution. I think it more likely citizens resort to the cartridge box to remove what they see as evil individuals in order to save the republic rather than some states splitting from other states over ideological differences a la 19th century Civil War.

I also believe that the Chinese, and to a lesser extent the Russians, have been working very hard to bring a communist style revolution here to bring us down. I don't believe they want us to become a 3rd world hell hole and die. Rather they want us to become subservient to them. It isn't ideological, it is power and wealth.

We can see the same methodologies being used here that were used by Mao and the Soviets. Soros is definitely involved, though idk if he is a puppet of some other force or if he is independently a megalomaniac. The forces have common agendas and don't have to coordinate. It is a silent concurrence. They have been pitting class against class as well as fomenting race tensions within the population but excluding themselves. They create crises to enable grabbing ever more authority. Lots of players in the game who hope they can gain.

The "overthrow" version of revolution happens when the people feel abused by and reject the existing form of government. Individuals want a better life, so they invite in a new government.

The "social" version of revolution happens by the capture of minds. The youth are especially useful, as they are brainwashed into believing "social justice" demands they overthrow the system for the good of society. Mao's cultural revolution was exactly this. The Soviets were somewhat successful in this. Conformity of thought is enforced by society, backed by the force of government. Turn in your family and neighbors for unapproved thoughts. Do it for the good of everybody! Woke is the modern version we all know.

It will probably take some really tough times to wake enough people up to harsh reality.