I wonder if all the raping thats going on in the military is just another form of hazing?

yeah , thats it , we'll call it that and we'll just throw it all under some rug

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:

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Originally posted by craigcpa:

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:

...hazings with a sexual component is expected as an outlet.

That's about the most fucked-uptest statement, thought and acceptance of action I've ever read.

Stop thinking with your dicks!!! Dickheads.

Just because I understand it doesn't mean I accept it. You're a little fucked up yourself in your comprehension.

I take it you've never spent 4 months out at sea with 6000 men and no women. Counterintuitively, I think part of the purpose is to show you're secure about your manliness.

I don't know.... I think I would have rather been on Spinzones or MikeinNC's boat than yours.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

I don't know.... I think I would have rather been on Spinzones or MikeinNC's boat than yours.

I've been on a couple of boats and land stations from 76 through 82.

From boot camp, I learned the phrase, "Only two things come from Texas: steers and queers and I don't hear you mooing." That was sort of a precursor of things to come.

I've seen E6 Instructors (not just one) dry humping students in front of other students.

Among other things, I've seen people held down and had bearing grease packed up their butt after being stripped naked.

I've crossed the equator twice with pollwogs having to kiss on their knees the greasy belly of a fat sailor (who was usually an E7 / Chief because that was mostly who could get a fat belly) among other not so savory / pleasant things they had to perform or undergo in full view or knowledge and participartion of the senior officers. We even get a card afterwards signed by the captain certifying we were shellbacks.

Those are just some of the things I remember including one time I came down to the engineroom to start my watch and one person was completely duct taped to a chair like a mummy. They did put holes for his nose and in his mouth so he can have a cigarette.

Those are just from my experiences. Maybe one can argue those were my isolated experiences but against the backdrop of such things as the Tailhook scandal, it should be a little slap of reality as to what the way things were and an indication of the prevalence of such things.

I don't have selective memory nor do I choose to look at my navy past through rose colored glasses.

But to get this back to the article, the point is that even with understanding how that can be with teen-age men out at sea, it doesn't make sense for 36 and 40 year olds working in a land job from which they can go to a home afterwards to do such things in this day and age.

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land job from which they can go to a home afterwards

The more y'all repeat this point of emphasis, the more disturbing it is.....

Anybody's coach or teammate ever slap them on the butt and say "good game?"

Super gay!!!!

what bothers me the most is that someone manufactures a table specifically for rape...

now thats disturbing

I've seen people peed on, kicked, shoved, punched, dry humped, and a bunch more, generally half-joking and expected, between the ARMY, a large Fraternity, and otherwise.

Personally, had I been peed on I'd have reacted very, very negatively, but the rest, well, it wasn't much in context. 90s-era Army Drill Sgts did many such things like it was normal.

And all manner of similar and embarrassing things were commonplace in the Greek system, too. Hell Week isn't named to be cutesy, at least not in many places.

I'm not advocating it, just relaying examples of its fairly widespread existence.

Boy was I sheltered, played high school football, pledged a college fraternity, got initiated, got hacked and hazed, went into the Marines, shot at and missed, shit at and hit, as they say, but I never had even the semblance of a homo-erotic experience to prove I was one of the gang.

Maybe that's why I'm so freaking normal.

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Originally posted by wishfull thinker:
Boy was I sheltered, played high school football, pledged a college fraternity, got initiated, got hacked and hazed, went into the Marines, shot at and missed, shit at and hit, as they say, but I never had even the semblance of a homo-erotic experience to prove I was one of the gang.

Maybe that's why I'm so freaking normal.

You ain't lived until ya been dry humped by yer best friend, son!

Need more details to condemn them to years in prison and felony records.

I've been hazed, both pseudo sexual and physically hit and humiliated. Meh. I thought it was stupid at the time, but not criminal.

One of my roommates at VMI had a broomstick shoved up his ass. That one was certainly across the line.