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| Conservative in Nor Cal constantly swimming up stream  |
I just read a article in which Chicago's Lightfoot claimed that "People just drive across the state line and buy guns" This just does not sound correct to me. My understanding is that guns have to go through a FFL. It's just scapegoating for Chicago shootings. Please educate me if I am wrong. ----------------------------------- Get your guns b4 the Dems take them away Sig P-229 Sig P-220 Combat | ||
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Link Just over 40 percent of traceable crime guns recovered in Chicago were sold by an Illinois dealer, the report said, followed by neighboring Indiana, which accounted for 21 percent of recovered crime guns. Three of the top 10 source dealers were located in Indiana in the cities of Hammond, Gary, and Griffith, all of which are just over the the state line from Illinois. The third-highest contributing state was Mississippi. Guns found at Chicago crime scenes were first sold by about 5,000 federally licensed dealers from across the United States, but most guns were sourced to Illinois retailers and those in adjoining states. The two single largest sources of Chicago crime guns over the four years covered by the report were dealers well known to authorities and to antiviolence activists. Almost a thousand guns that turned up at crime scenes were linked to Chuck’s Gun Shop located on Chicago’s Southeast Side in the suburb of Riverdale. Midwest Sporting Goods on the West Side in the suburb of Lyons supplied nearly 700 crime guns. The two stores “provide a strikingly large portion of the total number of traceable crime guns,” the report said. The shops were the retail source of more than one in 10 crime guns recovered in Chicago. So Two Chicago area stores provide the majority of the guns used in crimes, it doesn't say that criminals walked in and were sold guns, because they were not. Friends, family, or someone straw purchased a gun, sure, that has happened. However most are going to be legally sold guns that are stolen then resold on the black market. Sure some guns come from IN, but IN isn't the problem, it's Chicago, they are just looking to move the narrative off their failed gun control laws. Heck the article even says, MS is the third largest originator of gun sales. Maybe there is a crew of gun runners from Chicago to MS, buying up guns and bringing them back, who knows, but the top two gun stores are in the Chicago Metro area.... Maybe SAMCRO's IL chapter is running guns from MS to Chicago for the Irish.... who knows... | |||
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likey some family members are in Miss, and buy them for the folks in Chicago, they put in the news that a trace was run, and what shop sold the guns, but they fail to mention that the sale was approved by NICS?? that may be where the prosecution needs to start.... find out what happened once it was approved and prosecute the straw buyers, https://chandlersfirearms.com/chesterfield-armament/ | |||
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An IL resident who drives to IN and buys a gun from an Indiana-resident private seller has broken federal law. An IL resident who drives to IN and buys a gun from an FFL has to have it sent to an FFL in IL. I'm gonna vote for the funniest frog with the loudest croak on the highest log. | |||
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| Conservative in Nor Cal constantly swimming up stream |
That's what I thought. ----------------------------------- Get your guns b4 the Dems take them away Sig P-229 Sig P-220 Combat | |||
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This. The same federal laws apply here as everywhere else. In fact, I've even seen the checkout clerks at the Hammond Cabela's ask IL residents for their FOID card before selling them ammo...which kinda pissed me off because there's no such restriction in this state...anybody can legally buy ammo. I figured it must be store policy to keep the politicians on the other side of the border happy, and I don't like seeing local businesses in Indiana giving in to that pressure. | |||
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All modern guns in private hands started out with an FFL. I'm sure plenty of IN residents sell on Armslist in parking lot deals and don't bother checking ID. But there is no requirement to verify state residency. | |||
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^^^^^^^^ Gang members do not bother. Chicago gang members have ties to Mississippi that go back a long way. For a long time, guns were purchased in large quantity at Pawn shops in the Delta. The Feds had a large bust sometime back, but struggled with the undercover issues. White guys in a late model car with Illinois plates stood out like a sore thumb. | |||
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So I have to wonder what percentage of 'crime guns' are untraceable? | |||
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Unless something has changed recently, I believe IL residents can buy a long gun from an FFL in any contiguous state without involving an FFL in IL. Handguns must go to an IL FFL. Not counting C&R's. | |||
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| Bookers Bourbon and a good cigar  |
^^^^Correct. Arkansas residents can purchase long guns at an FFL dealer in Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Mississippi, Tennessee and Louisiana. True in other states as well. If you're goin' through hell, keep on going. Don't slow down. If you're scared don't show it. You might get out before the devil even knows you're there. NRA ENDOWMENT LIFE MEMBER | |||
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This sounds correct. I am a Florida resident but live part of the year in Indiana. I was considering consigning a gun in Indiana but was told that if it didn't sell they would have to send it to an FFL in my state of residence Flo in order to return it to me. I took a pas on that. | |||
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I grew up in Illinois not far from the Indiana border. Cigarettes and gasoline were always cheaper in Indiana. Pesticide meant for farm application could be purchased by the average homeowner. Indiana definitely took advantage of Illinois laws and regulations. | |||
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Illinois politicians and news outlets always blame Indiana for their own shortcomings. They dislike the fact that Indiana is a free state. | |||
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The same goes for Walmart in Indiana. They require a FOID card to sell to Illinois residents. So it may be more than just store policy. | |||
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Where at in Indiana? That doesn't happen here, but I live almost two hours from Chicago. It wouldn't suprise me if big retailers like that in Lake County and the rest of "The Region" have been pressured to adopt similar policies since they also do business in IL. While I've shopped at Cabelas and Bass Pro up there, I've never been in a Wal-Mart...we have plenty of those locally. I guess it could be local ordinance...that part of the state is heavily influenced by Chicago...it's not even on the same time zone as the rest of us. I can assure you that it's not state law, though...there's no IC code requiring Indiana retailers to abide by Illinois firearms regulations. | |||
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The Cabellas just over the border on 90/94, the Walmart in Hammond, Bass Pro in Portage. I've been asked for my FOID in all three stores, as well as a few smaller gun shops in north west Indiana. I can buy a gun in Indiana, but it has to be shipped to someone with an FFL in Illinois, and I pick it up there. Well, that's the legal route. ______________________________________________________________________ "When its time to shoot, shoot. Dont talk!" “What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” —Author Tom Clancy | |||
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As for the OP- Lightfooot is fucking clueless. She'll blame anyone and anything except for what the real problem is. ______________________________________________________________________ "When its time to shoot, shoot. Dont talk!" “What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” —Author Tom Clancy | |||
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It's perfectly legal to buy a long gun across state lines, by federal law. You must reside in the state where you buy a handgun. Strictly speaking, you could go from Chicago to Indy and buy a shotgun legally, provide you passed NICS. The "contagious states" reg went away several years ago. Of course, I'm talking fed, I don't know about various states. I do know we often sell long guns to IN, CO and FL residents.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Fredward, | |||
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