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Originally posted by Rick Lee:

Busy week for the SuperMax coroner. Robert Hansen was found dead in his cell on Monday.

Robert Hansen (serial killer) died in Anchorage, AK, August 21, 2014. He had been sentenced to 461 years imprisonment without parole.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by Rick Lee:

Busy week for the SuperMax coroner. Robert Hansen was found dead in his cell on Monday.

Robert Hansen (serial killer) died in Anchorage, AK, August 21, 2014. He had been sentenced to 461 years imprisonment without parole.

And to further clarify:

Robert Philip Hanssen (April 18, 1944 – June 5, 2023) was an American Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) agent who spied for Soviet and Russian intelligence services against the United States from 1979 to 2001.

Ah, now I see. Two different Robert Hans[s]en prisoners.

The one-s Hansen was the serial killer in Alaska.

The two-ss Hanssen was the spy.

[just a little more drift]

Spied for the Russians for twenty-two years while in the FBI. He's probably due for some kind of posthumous medal given the way things are today.
TOP.
MEN.

[end drift]

From https://apnews.com/article/ted...36e56bdbcaca9837bdc4 :

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‘Unabomber’ Ted Kaczynski died by suicide in prison medical center, AP sources say

Ted Kaczynski, known as the “Unabomber,” who carried out a 17-year bombing campaign that killed three people and injured 23 others, died by suicide, four people familiar with the matter told The Associated Press.

Kaczynski, who was 81 and suffering from late-stage cancer, was found unresponsive in his cell at the Federal Medical Center in Butner, North Carolina, around 12:30 a.m. on Saturday. Emergency responders performed CPR and revived him before he was transported to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead later Saturday morning, the people told the AP. They were not authorized to publicly discuss Kaczynski’s death and spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity.

Interestingly enough, Kaczynski's father also committed suicide while suffering from late-stage cancer, back in 1990.

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Originally posted by apprentice:
I remember reading his manifesto as it was printed in the papers. My thoughts were: "Damn, this guy has some smarts." and "Wish he would have just sent that out in the mail instead."

No one would have listened to him.
"Eeh, another letter from that crazy dude, toss it in the garbage with the rest of them."



Tell me what's the first thing you hear when the word "Manifesto" comes out?

-Crazy

Then what- Put it on the "Ignore" list.
No one pays attention to that stuff... Until you HAVE TO pay attention to that stuff.
I've worked with the USSS here a little here in Chicago. Talk about seeing some CRAZY SHIT! A hand written 28 page "manifesto" which was basically incoherent babbling: Large, polysyllabic words strung together for the first 4 or 5 pages, then the next 23 -24 pages were pretty much "People I want to kill today". All of the letters were the same size, spaced the same horizontally and vertically on the page.
90% of the people on the "People I want to kill today" were something like "Driver, #37 Bus Southbound 11:30am" "Fry Cook, 47th Street McDonalds"

The other 10%, Well... Those were the people we had to pay attention to.
President, Governor, Senator, Congressman, Mayors...
You KNOW the guy is crazy! But someone's got to pay attention to the guy.

And there's hundreds of other stories just like that across the country.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
Bill Ayers is still alive roaming free.

If there's someone that NEEDS to be in prison, there's the one!

One of the few claims I have to fame is that I was actually interviewed by the FBI as a suspect in those bombings.... not making this up or even exaggerating.... in fact a few years ago I actually requested and got my file on it.

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Originally posted by vinnybass:
Robert Philip Hanssen (April 18, 1944 – June 5, 2023) was an American Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) agent who spied for Soviet and Russian intelligence services against the United States from 1979 to 2001.

Another one that made my blood boil (almost): A Spy in Plain Sight: FBI agent Robert Hanssen by Lis Wiehl.

What Happened to Ted Kaczynski at Harvard?

Kaczynski, who would later become known as the infamous Unabomber, was subjected to a controversial and disturbing psychological experiment as a young student at the Ivy League school.
BY: BRIAN DUNLEAVY

UPDATED: JUNE 12, 2023 | ORIGINAL: MAY 25, 2023

Before Ted Kaczynski became the infamous Unabomber, he was a gifted, 16-year-old student at Harvard University. Kaczynski may have been precocious in his intellect, but he was also impressionably young—and it was at Harvard where Kaczynski would be recruited to take part in a three-year-long psychological experiment.

After investigators discovered in 1996 that the former youthful genius became a reclusive murderer responsible for a horrific series of bombings that killed three people and injured 23, they took an interest in the three-year experiment that Kaczynski later described as “the worst experience" of his life.

Kaczynski entered Harvard in 1958 and, one year later, was tapped by psychologist Henry A. Murray to take part in a study exploring the effects of stress on the human psyche—a popular area of research during the Cold War. The experiment enlisted 22 Harvard students to write a detailed essay in which they summarized their worldview and personal philosophy. Then the harsh aspects of the experiment began.

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Unabomber Arrested

The study clearly violated today's ethical standards.
After submitting their essays, each of the students was seated in front of bright lights, wired to electrodes and subjected to what Murray himself described as “vehement, sweeping, and personally abusive” interrogations, during which members of his research team would attack the student subjects’ ideals and beliefs, as gleaned from their essays. The goal was to assess the value of interrogation techniques used by law enforcement and national security agents in the field.

“It’s clearly unethical and violates all of the main ethical principles for psychologists as promulgated by the American Psychological Association,” says Nigel Barber, Ph.D., an evolutionary psychologist who writes a regular column called “The Human Beast: Why We Do What We Do” for Psychology Today and is the author of several books on human behavior.

“Subjects were incompletely informed about the nature of the experiment [and] were tricked, or coerced, into remaining in the experiment. Given that the procedures were designed to ‘break’ enemy agents and render them so damaged that they would be operationally useless, it is reasonable to expect that they would have the same consequences for vulnerable young people who did not have specialized training to resist interrogation.”

Murray is still considered an important researcher and clinician in the field of psychology, and his personality assessments remain a fundamental part of psychological evaluations to this day.

However, his legacy (he passed away in 1988) has been tarnished somewhat by this study, in which Kaczynski was one of the subjects. In fact, the study drew a lot of negative attention in the aftermath of the Unabomber’s arrest as details of his early life emerged. (Kaczynski was found dead, reportedly by suicide, in his cell on June 10, 2023.)

Earlier research standards were set at the Nuremberg Trials.
Experiments such as Murray’s almost certainly wouldn’t be allowed today under current ethical standards for research—but at the time, it wasn't considered a violation of any code of research conduct.

According to Barber, researchers at the time of Murray’s experiment were governed by the Nuremberg Code of research ethics—established at the Nuremberg Trials shortly after the end of World War II—which, though not legally binding, still serves as the basis for ethical standards in research today.

After several infamous cases of human experiments gone awry—most notably, Stanley Milgram’s study in which participants were coerced into believing that they had administered fatal electrocutions to others who had failed to follow their instructions—the American Psychological Association (APA) in 1982 published detailed guidelines on how research should be conducted called “Ethical Principles in the Conduct of Research with Human Subjects.”

Today, “all university research, including experiments on humans, must pass scrutiny of an Institutional Review Board or Ethical Review Panel,” Barber explains. “These [committees] pore over procedural details and may reverse an approval if ethical problems surface in the course of the research.”


Why It Took 17 Years to Catch the Unabomber
After a long, desperate search, it would be Ted Kaczynski’s own words that would lead to his capture.


Read more about Why It Took 17 Years to Catch the Unabomber
Neither Harvard nor Murray can be blamed for the Unabomber’s deadly attacks.
Although it’s now the widely held view that experiments like Murray’s are unethical and may cause harm to those who participate in them, there’s no direct correlation between Kaczynski’s involvement in the study and his actions later in life as the Unabomber.

“I think it is reasonable to identify this episode as approximately the time around which Kaczynski’s life began to unravel, [but] this might be coincidental,” notes Barber.

Barber points out that Kaczynski was later diagnosed with schizophrenia and that young adulthood is often the time when this illness strikes. But he was subsequently hired as an academic mathematician and, Barber says, "proved an able researcher."

“The Harvard experiment was stressful and stress aggravates the symptoms of schizophrenia. Otherwise, it would be a mistake to exaggerate the importance of this experience, or to see it as a major determinant of his anti-science and anti-technology political views," Barber says. "It was just one more personal grudge that he could fit into a paranoid narrative about how the world worked in general, and for him in particular.”

BY: BRIAN DUNLEAVY

https://www.history.com/news/w...de-history-2023-0612

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Originally posted by vinnybass:
[just a little more drift]

Spied for the Russians for twenty-two years while in the FBI. He's probably due for some kind of posthumous medal given the way things are today.
TOP.
MEN.

[end drift]

No, but his wife was allowed to keep his FBI pension.

After reading 41s post, I wonder what happened to the 21 students in that program.
Probably dead now but the experiment must have affected them to some degree.

I haven't found any details, but I do wonder how an 81-year-old with end stage cancer IN PRISON figures out a way to kill himself. No guns, knives, no drugs, no carbon monoxide?? If he hung himself, what did he use?

Ironically, I think that it would have been difficult for Ted to kill himself without the use of some form of technology (which he hated) .... Without technology, it would be hard for an frail old man to have the physical strength to accomplish this.... Seems to me....

Really?

Are you really suggesting what it appears you're suggesting?

Tell me I'm wrong, please.

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Barber points out that Kaczynski was later diagnosed with schizophrenia and that young adulthood is often the time when this illness strikes. But he was subsequently hired as an academic mathematician and, Barber says, "proved an able researcher."

^^^^^^^^^^^
There are quite a few Professors that would check that box.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Really?

Are you really suggesting what it appears you're suggesting?

Tell me I'm wrong, please.

Not sure what you are talking about.... but I am suggesting that instead of suicide, that an 81-year-old man with terminal cancer simply died. Whether from old age or cancer, I have no idea.

I don't doubt that suicide sounds "juicier" to the media.

Anyone else concerned that our government conducted such “experiments” in the first place and when word got out they cancelled the program and destroyed the documentation?

Yes we should be concerned, but nothing new here. There were the LSD experiments with soldiers,injecting blacks with syphillis and offering no treatment. Ethics has played a larger role more recently.

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Originally posted by mike28w:
Not sure what you are talking about....

Excellent

Carry on

When reading of the death by “natural causes” of an elderly (93 years old) historical figure and subsequent speculation of the specific cause of death by the press (Heart attack, stroke etc.) my RN wife responded with: “Cause of death? Cause of death was being 93 years old!”