Coming due for a tetanus shot and if it was pre-Covid I wouldn't think twice about getting it, but I'm wondering if the garbage that makes the Covid "vaccines" so problematic is being used in today's versions of actual vaccines.

Anyone with knowledge about this?

I haven't heard anything about tetanus, but I did hear on the news (yeah, I know) a few weeks ago that at least some of this fall's flu vaccines are going to be mRNA based. I think they said they're cheaper to produce that way. That makes it a hard pass for me. I'm due for a tetanus update next year.

Ask the pharmacist to show you the label and package insert before rolling up your sleeve.
Or bending over.

I have not heard that the tetanus shot has migrated to mRNA. Since it is, afaik, a non-evolving pathogen, it doesn't seem likely anyone would spend money on developing a replacement. But that's just my conjecture.

However, all the rest of the BS is still in play. Adjuvants such as aluminum or other materials. Possible contamination by foreign biological material. I have not researched this particular vaccine .... but there have been other vaccines where various detritus has been found such as bits of cells or genetic material.

You could ask for an antibody titer to see if you still have antibodies and thus would not need another injection.

Quite a few years ago, my British MD step-father said that they considered a person fully vaccinated and not needing any further vaccinations after 3 (iirc) shots. He was no longer getting tetanus shots and was not at all concerned.

I am not trusting anything like a vaccine these days.

They have been working on mRNA derived tetanus vaccine, but as of today there is no evidence any tetanus vaccines on the market are made from such technology. If you want to be absolutely sure, yes, ask your healthcare provider to show you the package insert. Info on how it was made is in there.

It's really hard to believe so many people are up to date on their tetanus shots in a country of 345 million people.

Google says "Data from 2009–2023 showed a mean of roughly 27 cases annually, and deaths are rare (about 2–3 per year), predominantly occurring in unvaccinated or improperly vaccinated individuals".

If this data is correct, you're way more likely to get struck by lightning.
With odds like that, I'll take my chances and opt out of getting their vaccine.

I *twitch* just had a tetanus booster in March, and *twitch* so far, things have been *twitch* just fine.

Seriously, though... Tetanus vaccination is a necessity for my line of work. Lots of opportunities for dirty wounds.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
It's really hard to believe so many people are up to date on their tetanus shots in a country of 345 million people.

Google says "Data from 2009–2023 showed a mean of roughly 27 cases annually, and deaths are rare (about 2–3 per year), predominantly occurring in unvaccinated or improperly vaccinated individuals".

If this data is correct, you're way more likely to get struck by lightning.
With odds like that, I'll take my chances and opt out of getting their vaccine.

That's due to a combination of widespread vaccination as well as prophylactic vaccinations administered when someone receives medical treatment for a dirty wound or a puncture wound/bite and where their vaccination is either known or suspected to have lapsed.

So basically, even if you aren't vaccinated or you're past due for a booster, they'll recommend vaccination at the time of injury to head off developing tetanus complications.

That's keeping the tetanus incidences down.

So you can absolutely hold off on getting it until it's suspected that you need it from a wound. But the risk comes when you're both unvaccinated as well as a stubborn old fart who says stuff like:"It's just a cut. What's the point in going to the doc for a cut? I'll just rub some dirt on it, wrap it in duct tape, and walk it off..." and thus don't get the prophylactic vaccination either.

Just had mine, because, at my small farm, if it can cut,scratch, or otherwise make me bleed, I’ll find it. 12131 is exactly right to request Provider proof, and mine did.
Regards, Blackhorse4

I got one once and my neck felt a lot better afterwards.
Just saying.

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I *twitch* just had a tetanus booster in March, and *twitch* so far, things have been *twitch* just fine.

I 100% support you if you choose to get a tetanus vaccine. I'm not putting down those that do, RogueJSK.
I've had tetanus vaccines in the past myself and my head didn't fall off either.

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Seriously, though... Tetanus vaccination is a necessity for my line of work. Lots of opportunities for dirty wounds.

I agree, in your line of work, there are lots of opportunities for infections from dirty wounds.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

That's due to a combination of widespread vaccination as well as prophylactic vaccinations administered when someone receives medical treatment for a dirty wound or a puncture wound/bite and where their vaccination is either known or suspected to have lapsed.

So basically, even if you aren't vaccinated or you're past due for a booster, they'll recommend vaccination at the time of injury to head off developing tetanus complications.

That's keeping the tetanus incidences down.

What percentage of the 345 million population do you believe has been vaccinated for tetanus?
Would you say it's as high as 90%? If the vaccination rate is that high, and I don't believe it is, that would still leave 34,500,000 people with only a small handful of cases each year. If an average of 27 cases out of 345,000,000 exceeds someone's comfort level, then they should by all means get the vaccine. It's a personal choice everyone has to make on their own.

What if you get a tetanus shot with a dirty needle...

Would I as a layman be able to understand what I'm looking at if I see the label? Are there certain words to look for?

Many thanks for the input, guys!

^^^ The vial label won't tell. You need to ask your provider to show and explain to you, in the package insert, how it was made.

Had a booster in January. Meh. Probably my last one.

IIRC, usually it's a Tdap shot - tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis. I don't believe they make a stand-alone tetanus vaccine.

There are three formulations, and yes, there is no stand-alone tetanus shot. One is used for children up to 6 years old (DTaP), and the other two for children above 6 and adults (Tdap and Td). The capital letter denotes full strength. The lower case letter denotes reduced strength. You'll note that the tetanus is always full stength in all three formulations. For 10-year tetanus booster and wound care, either the Tdap or Td will be fine. Actually, if you desperately need one and neither is available, but only the DTaP is, that will do just fine. It has the same "T" as in the other two formulations.

T = Tetanus
D/d = Diphtheria
aP/ap = acellular Pertussis (as opposed to whole cell one), which is whooping cough

I hear even the vaccines for animals are mRNA.
Myself, I can't remember the last time I got tetanus shot. Probably before I retired 14 years ago.
I also cannot recall ever hearing of anybody that actually had a problem.

Tdap is not a mRNA vaccine.

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^^^ The vial label won't tell. You need to ask your provider to show and explain to you, in the package insert, how it was made.

Q, can you give us more specifics? If it were mRNA developed, would the provider be able to show in plain English that it says "mRNA" on the label? Or not? My trust these days are in the shitter. Thanks!

Since it was brought up, I'm quite sure mine is due.

double tap

Here is info from the package insert of Tdap (trade name Adacel), verbatim, under section 11. Bottom line, no mRNA technology was used.

https://www.fda.gov/files/vacc...ge-Insert-Adacel.pdf

11 DESCRIPTION
Adacel is a sterile isotonic suspension of tetanus and diphtheria toxoids and pertussis antigens adsorbed on aluminum phosphate, for intramuscular injection.

Each 0.5 mL dose contains 5 Lf tetanus toxoid (T), 2 Lf diphtheria toxoid (d), and acellular pertussis antigens [2.5 mcg detoxified pertussis toxin (PT), 5 mcg filamentous hemagglutinin (FHA), 3 mcg pertactin (PRN), 5 mcg fimbriae types 2 and 3 (FIM)]. Other ingredients per 0.5 mL dose include 1.5 mg aluminum phosphate (0.33 mg aluminum) as the adjuvant, ≤5 mcg residual formaldehyde<50 ng residual glutaraldehyde and 3.3 mg (0.6% v/v) 2-phenoxyethanol (not as a preservative).

The antigens are the same as those in DAPTACEL; however, Adacel is formulated with reduced quantities of diphtheria and detoxified PT.

The acellular pertussis vaccine components are produced from Bordetella pertussis cultures grown in Stainer-Scholte medium (2) modified by the addition of casamino acids and dimethyl-beta cyclodextrin. PT, FHA and PRN are isolated separately from the supernatant culture medium. FIM are extracted and copurified from the bacterial cells. The pertussis antigens are purified by sequential filtration, salt-precipitation, ultrafiltration and chromatography. PT is detoxified with glutaraldehyde, FHA is treated with formaldehyde, and the residual aldehydes are removed by ultrafiltration. The individual antigens are adsorbed onto aluminum phosphate.

The tetanus toxin is produced from Clostridium tetani grown in modified Mueller-Miller casamino acid medium without beef heart infusion. (3) Tetanus toxin is detoxified with formaldehyde and purified by ammonium sulfate fractionation and diafiltration.

Corynebacterium diphtheriae is grown in modified Mueller’s growth medium. (4) After purification by ammonium sulfate fractionation, diphtheria toxin is detoxified with formaldehyde and diafiltered.

The adsorbed diphtheria, tetanus and acellular pertussis components are combined with aluminum phosphate (as adjuvant), 2-phenoxyethanol (not as a preservative) and water for injection. Adacel does not contain a preservative.