i tried to do mine. But if it is idol for more than 5 seconds you have to reinput the code. Fuk that. and no I am not doing finger print or facial id. So no, not currently.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
In one thriller I read, the “operators” cut off a finger of the terrorist they just killed so they could unlock the phone they recovered from the body. I don’t know how they knew which finger to take, perhaps everyone uses the same one, but I found the idea interesting. It didn’t affect what I do, though, because (...)

...because you'd be dead?

At that point, they can have my phone. I'd have limited use for it at that point.

After x amount of times trying to get past my print unlock, it reverts to code only.

I never considered not locking it. It's mine. I don't like the idea of someone able to go through it.

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Originally posted by Minnow:
Yes, lock with only allow unlock with a passcode. Facial and biometric locks are not legally protected in the same way as a passcode.

Do you have a reference for that?

It's only out of my sight occasionally at home, no lock

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Originally posted by Minnow:
Yes, lock with only allow unlock with a passcode. Facial and biometric locks are not legally protected in the same way as a passcode.

Yes, this would be interesting to expand on...

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
i tried to do mine. But if it is idol for more than 5 seconds you have to reinput the code. Fuk that. and no I am not doing finger print or facial id. So no, not currently.

That’s just a setting bud, you can change it to auto lock after 30 seconds or increments from 1-5 minutes. It’s under Settings>Display&Bightness.

Also since the latest iOS back in September you can actually lock most individual apps as well. If you press and hold an app’s icon until it jiggles and the pop up options appear, you can click ‘options’ and you should see “Require Face ID”. I’m assuming it offers fingerprint if that is what you are using. So if you sometimes hand off the phone for someone to look at something or to a kid to play a game, you can have your email, messages, bank app, etc not even accessible if they tried to open the app. Core apps are not lockable (calculator, camera, settings,etc).

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Originally posted by billpocz:

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Originally posted by Minnow:
Yes, lock with only allow unlock with a passcode. Facial and biometric locks are not legally protected in the same way as a passcode.

Yes, this would be interesting to expand on...

The Constitutional Divide (Pincode vs. Biometrics)

Pincodes are Protected:
Courts generally agree that forcing a defendant to recite or enter a passcode violates the Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination. It forces the user to access their memory to produce knowledge.

Biometrics are Less Protected:
Many courts have ruled that forcing you to press your finger to a sensor or look at a screen does not violate the Fifth Amendment. The physical trait is treated as an existing piece of evidence rather than forced testimony.

The Shifting Legal Landscape
While the U.S. Supreme Court has not issued a final ruling on cell phone biometrics, a deep split exists among appellate and lower courts across the country.

That’s the short of it. Googling “pincode vs biometrics courts ruling” will provide many options to read more from the legal sources these blurbs were cited from.

Auto lock.

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:

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Originally posted by Minnow:
Yes, lock with only allow unlock with a passcode. Facial and biometric locks are not legally protected in the same way as a passcode.

Do you have a reference for that?

Here is one reference: https://law.justia.com/cases/m...t/2018/a15-2075.html
Full Name: State of Minnesota, Respondent, vs. Matthew Vaughn Diamond, Appellant
Docket Number: A15-2075
Date: January 17, 2018
Justia Opinion Summary
The Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination does not protect a person from being ordered to prove a fingerprint to unlock a seized cellphone.

The police lawfully seized a cellphone from Defendant and attempted to execute a valid warrant to search the cellphone, which had a fingerprint-scanner security lock that prevented the search. When Defendant refused to block the cellphone with his fingerprint the district court ordered Defendant to provide his fingerprint so the police could search the cellphone’s contents. The court of appeals affirmed, concluding that providing a fingerprint was not privileged under the Fifth Amendment. The Supreme Court affirmed, holding that because providing the fingerprint elicited only physical evidence from Defendant and did not reveal the contents of his mind, no violation of the Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination occurred.

Thanks, Minnow. Always interesting to know the current state of the law.

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Originally posted by Minnow:
only physical evidence

Although it’s been a very long time since it was of professional interest to me, as I recall it’s similar to someone’s being required to submit to a physical examination, blood draw, etc., and those not being violations of their Fourth Amendment right to avoid self-incrimination because they are not a form of testimony.

Automatic.
Today's phones cost a lot plus mine has a lot of other info that's important to remind me of other important things.

I always lock my phone before putting it ANYWHERE, including the holder. I've never had an accidental outgoing call that way.

I also close all the apps after use - never let them idle away.

My phone is on fast lock.

I can bank and invest using my phone apps.

If I lose it and it wasn't locked, given enough time my passwords could be cracked.

If I lose it and they try ten times to open it it wipes.

I can also wipe it remotely with my apple account.

sig2392, is that some type of app or just a setting I am missing?

My phone auto-locks after a few seconds of inactivity. I do use facial recognition, but I am considering disabling it due to the ease with which it can be abused (the abuser need only hold the phone in front of your face after gaining possession).

As a somewhat related issue, how concerned are people about the physical security of their phones?

On one hand I see scary videos about how common phone thefts are (and why they’re stolen, even if they cannot be unlocked), but on the other I see phones casually left accessible in places where they could be easily grabbed and taken. And if having a phone snatched from a restaurant table is very unlikely, what about all the ones I see sticking a quarter of the way out of someone’s back pocket as they walk down the street?

Phone thefts cannot be as common as the scaremongers would have us believe to get their clicks, but I still carry my phone fully inside pants pockets, and most of the time with a Velcro flap over the top. I’m curious, though, what others’ opinions are.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
One of the (few) advantages to being old in this day and age is that not all of us were ever convinced to store our most important life information on a device capable of being carried in a pants pocket and can be lost, destroyed, or stolen in an instant’s mischance. I understand why people do it, but understanding isn’t agreeing that it’s a good idea.

Like a wallet? You lose it or someone steals your wallet and they have your debit, credit, health insurance, drivers license, fishing license (although that is all electronic except for the paper copy I'm required to carry on the great lakes) and CCW.

Not all of that is on my phone - but other, just as sensitive stuff is.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
As a somewhat related issue, how concerned are people about the physical security of their phones?

I have a cheap Motorola that replaced my dumb flip phone + landline.

I would have to head home to log in on my desktop and lock the phone. A trip to Walmart for new one. Activation and download from the cloud to the new phone and I should be good to go.

But I'd be pissed because I hate thieves.

I do carry it in my back pocket but I mostly wear shirts that cover it and my pistol.

ETA:My phone locks when inactive, but if someone were to take it out of my hand while in use,
I guess I can lock my phone from any device that lets me visit android.com/lock.

I also have this but I'm not sure how well it works. https://youtube.com/shorts/_IH...?si=1A_VrdtVxT2IYipb
The phone locks during grab and go.

Mine is set to automatically lock. I use either a PIN or fingerprint to unlock. Except at home I never leave unattended.