Even with the "full" self driving package now available in beta form, Tesla admitted to state regulators that it is still a Level 2 system.

To date, Honda has sold in very limited numbers, a certified Level 3 car.

GM Cruise and Google Waymo is Level 4, both achieving roughly around 30,000 miles per disengagement in mostly city driving, with latest reports.

I don't think Tesla can drive a few miles in city without disengaging at this time.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by sigcrazy7:

Do commercial airline pilots maintain the same level of attentiveness while on autopilot as they do when they are fully in control of the aircraft? No, they don't stare at the six pack or out the window like they would with the aircraft under their direct control.

Apples, oranges. There's a world of difference between operating a road vehicle with traffic and other hard objects almost within arms reach, and flying an airplane that is separated from other traffic by a minimum of 1,000' vertically, and three miles at the same altitude.

I really believe that you (sigcrazy7) have a more difficult job driving your big OTR truck, than I do flying an airplane.

That’s true. Perhaps a better analogy would be an ALS landing vs a manual landing?

My brother, a commercial pilot, has said the same thing about the tolerance for error in a semi truck being much lower than in an aircraft. It takes only a second to be upside down in a truck.

Notice how cleverly the writer of this article inserted his admiration for Mr. Biden and his contempt for Mr. Trump.

During the early days of aviation the US Mail was carried on privately-contracted airplanes with civilian pilots. When plane crashes and other incidents interfered with Air Mail services our government stepped in with US Army Air Corps aircraft and pilots to make the system work, and radio-beacon navigation systems were installed nationwide. I don't remember any criticism of former presidents for lack of foresight in dealing with the new technologies.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
drivers at fault

autopilot or not

the fact that its a Tesla is irrelevant

driver inattentiveness is the sole fault

Agreed. It’s rampant here. I’d say 50% or more are now surfing when they drive. I’m even seeing CDL folks surf while driving a company truck, van, etc. I’m getting real tempted to start phoning it in and getting someone fired. Only problem is I’d also have to hold a phone when I drive and film their dumb asses endangering myself, which I’m unwilling to do. They are got damn crack addicts with the phones. They can’t put it down while they drive, and you ought to see my gym. Everyone in there is on the phone except those few of us there to pound weight, get our workout in and GTFO. I’m sick of it. Lock these fuckers up and let them have a date with Bubba.

It only needs to be safer than a human driver to be better.

We're killing 35,000 to 40,000 people a year in traffic crashes. Hundreds of thousands injured. Billions in property damage.

Four people die in a traffic crash every hour, but every single time a Tesla is in a crash, that is news.

The human in the vehicle, autopilot equipped or not is still and rightly should still be the responsible party in any accident.

Just like the pilot of an aircraft, the driver of an automobile should be considered the pilot in command and is responsible for everything occurring aboard that vehicle and for the safe operation of said vehicle, including frequent monitoring of any automation to make sure its doing what it's supposed to be doing.

Sandman is correct, but unfortunately the judicial system does not see it that way.

Sandman draws a parallel, aircraft pilots and vehicle drivers.

If a pilot screws up, the FAA takes action. I, as an instructor, have been involved with a few of these, where the pilot came to me for remedial instruction mandated by the feds. After giving the required instruction, I then had to write a letter to the FAA describing the instruction that I had given.

Vehicle drivers, on the other hand, seem to be treated differently by the court system: "Fifty dollar fine, and don't do that again. Call the next case."

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Vehicle drivers, on the other hand, seem to be treated differently by the court system: "Fifty dollar fine, and don't do that again. Call the next case."

That's because the FAA is a regulatory agency designed to promote safety. A lot of traffic enforcement is a tax revenue system.

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Originally posted by SBrooks:
I think there should be no such thing as "Autopilot where you still have to pay attention"

That’s the *ONLY* kind that they put in airplanes. The purpose of autopilot is to offload the mundane task of operating the controls so the pilot is able to focus on the big picture. No remotely competent pilot thinks that autopilot allows them to stop paying attention.

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Originally posted by sigcrazy7:
To finish my thought, if the standard is simply an improvement over human operation, then I don't see why it's news every time a Tesla has an accident somewhere in the world. There have been several fatalities on the roads within a few miles of my house just this week, and I don't see that making national news. Why is it so sensational every time Tesla drive assist has an accident?

Bingo. The news is made to get people's attention, otherwise they cease to exist. For some reason a "robot driven car" as opposed to a "human driven car" gets attention.

It's only a matter of time until you see a paid advertising blitz which shows staged situations where the the "robot car" SAVED a life.

I am waiting for the ruby shoes to be reissued so I’ll be able to click my heals three times.

The mistake is Tesla calling it Autopilot. There is an assumption/stereotype that its a set it and forget it feature. If it was called driving assist it would not get nearly the attention.

A family member has a Tesla and was showing me all the cameras built inside the cabin to monitor the occupants. I wonder if Telsa can see what the driver was doing when the crash occurred.

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Originally posted by gpbst3:
A family member has a Tesla and was showing me all the cameras built inside the cabin to monitor the occupants.

Why? What function do the cameras provide?

Tesla AutoPilot, helping horny drivers and their passengers get home satisfied and safely...

Link Sex in a Tesla Article

Link is safe no "video" you'll have to google that yourself...

As to AutoDrive I'm reminded of the scene in Red October where Ramius is changing speed as they run the canyons past THors Twins.

Kamarov:
Stop pissing, Yuri. Give me a stopwatch and a map, and I'll fly the Alps in a plane with no windows.

Yuri (Diving Officer):
If the map is accurate enough.

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Originally posted by konata88:

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Originally posted by gpbst3:
A family member has a Tesla and was showing me all the cameras built inside the cabin to monitor the occupants.

Why? What function do the cameras provide?

From what he explained to me it was for future technology expansion. He was not sure if they recorded and if so where the data went and how its used. He mentioned about Telsa taking used vehicles as prototypes for Tesla self driving taxi.

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Jackson said she wasn't concerned for their safety while shooting the home video, because she had experience using the self-driving function in a Tesla vehicle before, despite accidents that have occurred while the feature has been in use.

Don't bother thinking about how your asinine behavior might affect other people on a public road, stupid bitch.

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Originally posted by DaBigBR:
It only needs to be safer than a human driver to be better.

We're killing 35,000 to 40,000 people a year in traffic crashes. Hundreds of thousands injured. Billions in property damage.

Four people die in a traffic crash every hour, but every single time a Tesla is in a crash, that is news.

Not really. Most people feel they are better than the average driver so I know for a fact that I'm not giving up control of my car when it's just a little better than what we currently have.

It has to be measurably better so much so that the manufacturers would have to be liable. Otherwise I'm paying attention like I'm driving.