FYI- with every thing going on there are items being missed or attempting to be moved thru while we’re distracted.


https://breaking911.com/rep-ga...ing-arm-brace-usage/

What's the (proposed?) attack?

Rolling it back to "no shouldering" or a ban?
Link?

COOL!!!! This Rep. is definitely on our side on many things.

Amongst all the dumb gun laws a pistol brace is right up there. How is a pistol with a brace more dangerous than a rifle. I don’t want to hear about total length because a rifle with a folding stock is very similar.

IMO the whole SBR thing is DUMB. The simple truth is that Bad Guys don't typically carry a firearm with a full butt stock to do their dirty deeds, they go for something much easier to conceal like a regular old handgun.

However the law about not equipping a handgun with a butt stock without the correct permits has been around a lot of years and using an arm brace as a buttstock is a violation of that law. To be blunt if you want arm braces to remain a legal option then don't put it to your shoulder no matter how "cool" you think you are when you do that. I don't care a bit if you saw it in a movie or some youtube video, it is illegal. In addition your insistence on violating this law could result in the total ban of arm braces and we have a significant number of fellow shooters who actually NEED an Arm Brace to be able to shoot a handgun. SO, KNOCK IT OFF.

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Originally posted by Scooter123:
However the law about not equipping a handgun with a butt stock without the correct permits has been around a lot of years and using an arm brace as a buttstock is a violation of that law. To be blunt if you want arm braces to remain a legal option then don't put it to your shoulder no matter how "cool" you think you are when you do that. I don't care a bit if you saw it in a movie or some youtube video, it is illegal. In addition your insistence on violating this law could result in the total ban of arm braces and we have a significant number of fellow shooters who actually NEED an Arm Brace to be able to shoot a handgun. SO, KNOCK IT OFF.

Bahahhaha, Scooter Ol'boy, you SURVIVED COVID19!!!!!

With that being the case, you can take your legal advice and shove it next to your COVID panic advice, where the sun doesn't shine....

Scooter,

For those who choose not to register their weapon as an SBR as a personal choice, or due to the expense, or on principle, the use of a brace makes a lot of sense. Moreover, it's a very slippery slope to give up any ground on second amendment rights.

Using an arm brace as a butt stock is not a violation of the law. You've got some self-education to do, and you're going to carry very little weight peddling such ideas among firearm owners and shooters.

Again, sometimes best to keep one's mouth shut and appear foolish, than open it, and remove all doubt.

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Originally posted by Scooter123:
IMO the whole SBR thing is DUMB. The simple truth is that Bad Guys don't typically carry a firearm with a full butt stock to do their dirty deeds, they go for something much easier to conceal like a regular old handgun.

However the law about not equipping a handgun with a butt stock without the correct permits has been around a lot of years and using an arm brace as a buttstock is a violation of that law. To be blunt if you want arm braces to remain a legal option then don't put it to your shoulder no matter how "cool" you think you are when you do that. I don't care a bit if you saw it in a movie or some youtube video, it is illegal. In addition your insistence on violating this law could result in the total ban of arm braces and we have a significant number of fellow shooters who actually NEED an Arm Brace to be able to shoot a handgun. SO, KNOCK IT OFF.

Hmm, yes, step harder, daddy. Lemme taste that boot leather.

All this hysteria over and unconfirmed statement by Gaetz. There has been no confirmation anywhere that the ATF is considering this.

While the SBR ban is dumb, if you read the ATF's position on braces, it would seem that braces that work with milspec buffer tubes would not be allowed.

Just seems like collapsible braces that can be swapped out for stocks with no modification to the gun is already against their current position.

If that is the case, they should have stepped in years ago as soon as the sba3 was announced.

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Originally posted by Scurvy:
All this hysteria over and unconfirmed statement by Gaetz. There has been no confirmation anywhere that the ATF is considering this.

While the SBR ban is dumb, if you read the ATF's position on braces, it would seem that braces that work with milspec buffer tubes would not be allowed.

Just seems like collapsible braces that can be swapped out for stocks with no modification to the gun is already against their current position.

If that is the case, they should have stepped in years ago as soon as the sba3 was announced.

Not according to the office of the Assistant Director of the BATFE, Enforcement Programs and Services.

https://www.sigsauer.com/wp-co...er-march-21-2017.pdf

Proposed changes to federal regulations are published in the Federal Register. Just sayin'.

The changes that have taken place haven't been published in the federal register, because they've been interpretations and application of the regulation, rather than changes to the regulation itself.

Presently, all the BATFE need do is retract their letter.

That said, Gaetz is a loudmouth and appears to be grandstanding. He offers no evidence that the BATFE is taking any action against the use of braces, and appears to be stirring the pot to get his name in the press. His web site states:

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“But now, what we find, is that the ATF is making it very difficult for people to have arm braces. They’re changing standards and changing rules.” Gaetz continues: “And I am particularly frustrated when our government, at the administrative and executive level, goes beyond their grant of authority in our Constitution and in our Federal Statutes. Nothing gives anyone at ATF the ability to constrain the use of arm braces.”

The BATFE is NOT making it difficult to get or use a brace. They continue to fly off the shelves locally, and I see them constantly at the range. No worries whatsoever. Whether that might change, is anybody's guess, but Gaetz offers no proof, no evidence, no indication, not even a hint at where his rumor is coming from, that the BATFE intends to restrict them again, for shoulder use.

Sounds like scaremongering, and little more. His "breaking news," isn't.

https://gaetz.house.gov/media/...ting-arm-brace-usage

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Originally posted by Scooter123:

However the law about not equipping a handgun with a butt stock without the correct permits has been around a lot of years and using an arm brace as a buttstock is a violation of that law. To be blunt if you want arm braces to remain a legal option then don't put it to your shoulder no matter how "cool" you think you are when you do that. I don't care a bit if you saw it in a movie or some youtube video, it is illegal. In addition your insistence on violating this law could result in the total ban of arm braces and we have a significant number of fellow shooters who actually NEED an Arm Brace to be able to shoot a handgun. SO, KNOCK IT OFF.

Ole Scooter, his car only turns to the left, doesn’t it?

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Originally posted by jljones:
Ole Scooter, his car only turns to the left, doesn’t it?

Scooter is a NASCAR driver?

Seriously though, his account was taken over by a professional troller. That's all I can figure. The COVID thread had me literally busting up laughing until I realized he was serious.

Braces are insanely popular. Infinitely more in use than bump stocks ever were. I'm not sure how they get that horse back in the barn at this point.

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Originally posted by jljones:
car only turns to the left.

Unknown, it's not safe to leave the booooonker.

Scooters free advice reminds me of Herr Ruger's policy that his civilian customers did not need a quality Ruger made 20 rd mag for their mini-14's! We just could not be trusted with them!

No thank you!

You were right at least that the SBR thing is nonsensical, lets clean up that archaic policy and leave braces alone.

HK AG

The owner of SB Tactical which is the brace Gaetz is referring to politely said he has no idea what Gaetz is talking about. He said nothing new has occurred. Why would only Gaetz have some secret info? I think Gaetz is just trying to portray himself as a 2nd Amend defender and bring in more campaign contributions from people around the country.

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Originally posted by Fundman:
The owner of SB Tactical which is the brace Gaetz is referring to politely said he has no idea what Gaetz is talking about. He said nothing new has occurred. Why would only Gaetz have some secret info? I think Gaetz is just trying to portray himself as a 2nd Amend defender and bring in more campaign contributions from people around the country.

Maybe because Gaetz is in the government and SB Tactical is just a civie company..?

You'd think the ATF would be busy talking to Raz.