I say good riddance. Ford, or for that matter GM, doesn't make a sedan that I would buy. I'm admittedly a truck/SUV guy because they generally work better for what I want but I absolutely will not consider buying a sedan that is front wheel drive. Front wheel drive is a lazy, cheap way to build a soulless, under performing car and if I'm going to spend money on a sedan in addition to my truck or SUV, it's going to be because that car drives and handles well. I just would not be willing to spend my money on a sedan from Ford or GM because they just don't appeal to me. I would (and in the recent past did) consider adding a sedan to the stable, but the only American manufacturer that I considered was Dodge, because of the Charger. I know I'm far from alone in those feelings as well.
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February 20, 2019, 07:58 AM
Shaql
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the buying trends of the average Ford consumer show you are in the minority
There is a bit of self-fulfillment here though. Ford has not put a decent sedan on the market in my lifetime. Outside of the Taurus that is.
Granada? 500? Escort? Contour? Tempo? Fairlane(modern)? Fairmont? And any number of variants of the taurus don't count.
Compare that with the Fusion, Crown Vic (I don't like it tho), Galaxy, Thunderbird(ruined it!), Torino. The fusion is the closest thing they've had to a success in the sedan market and they ruined that vehicle with is crappy engine, crappy transmission, and cheap interior. It was so crappy it became an instant success in the fleet-vehicle market.
Ford has very little understanding of the sedan market and what buyers want. Nissan, Toyota redefined that market, the Europeans refined the market, and now the Americans are ignoring the market because they can't figure out how to put together a good-looking sedan that has a quality interior and a decent drive-train.
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February 20, 2019, 07:59 AM
Black92LX
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Originally posted by stickman428: Ford does not know their customer. Demand for the Ranger was so overwhelming and orders so much more than expected that they ok’d a bunch of overtime to keep up. People only asked for a midsize competitor to the Tacoma for YEARS.
I wasn’t happy when they announced they would stop making cars to focus on trucks and SUVs but they are going to make what sells.
Ford like any other company is not fully worried about what the customer WANTS but what people will ACTUALLY BUY makes them more money. And what customers want does not always equate to what makes them more money.
Also Ford is still going to make sedans they are just under the Lincoln brand not sure why people are so hung up over this. Has anyone ever griped that GMC has never made a car/sedan EVER?? No, they just got a Chevy, Buick, Pontiac, or Oldsmobile (well apparently not enough folks bought the last two).
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February 20, 2019, 08:08 AM
ridewv
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Originally posted by stickman428: Ford does not know their customer. Demand for the Ranger was so overwhelming and orders so much more than expected that they ok’d a bunch of overtime to keep up. People only asked for a midsize competitor to the Tacoma for YEARS....
I believe you're right although in the case of the old Ranger sales had been declining. Ford interpreted that it was because there was a lack of interest in mid size trucks. Just like Harley interpreted there was little demand for a water cooled motorcycle since the one they had (V Rod) didn't sell well. IMO the reason sales were sluggish was because the marketing teams at both Ford and Harley misinterpreted. The Ranger was very dated, Ford had been updating and concentrating all their innovation into their full size trucks which even delivered about the same MPG. And Harley put a pretty good water cooled motor into a chassis that was an ergonomic disaster.
No car is as much fun to drive, as any motorcycle is to ride.
February 20, 2019, 08:19 AM
Orguss
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Originally posted by MikeGLI:
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Originally posted by Black92LX: That is why Ford gives you the Lincoln MKZ. I am the opposite of you and have zero desire for a sedan but the MKZ certainly would be on the short list.
Can they offer it in an SHO trim?
The MKZ has the SHO motor but not the suspension. I'm not sure about the transmission.
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February 20, 2019, 08:24 AM
rat2306
I want a truck, but not at Lincoln Continental trim and price levels.
February 20, 2019, 08:34 AM
RAMIUS
After I went new car shopping last year, I spent all day at a ford dealership trying cars out. It was a sad and depressing experience.
I own a shit ton of Ford stock for the nice dividend, so I figured I’d throw them some business, but all the cars sucked, and I wasn’t impressed with the MKZ either.
Drove over to the Mazda dealership and bought me a sweet Mazda 3 before they closed.
February 20, 2019, 09:46 AM
wxl
Wife and I totally agree we could not get by without a truck and preferably full size, super crew cab, 4-wheel...
February 20, 2019, 10:58 AM
18DAI
Well........guess I will ride the bus.
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February 20, 2019, 11:03 AM
maxdog
I have a truck, but really like to have a 4 door sedan too. Nothing like a nice rear wheel drive sedan with some power and good handling. When I began looking for one when I retired I thought an entry level “luxury performance car” would fit the ticket. All american manufs had to offer was front wheel dr. Front wheel dr performance car is an oxymoron. Only the really expensive brands had them (Mercedes, Lexus, BMW, Infin ect.)
Got a Genesis. RWD, 6 cyl, 330HP, great handling for a lot less. Little maint too. Never looked back.
February 20, 2019, 11:07 AM
sigmonkey
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Originally posted by 18DAI: Well........guess I will ride the bus.
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February 20, 2019, 11:12 AM
bubbatime
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Originally posted by Shaql: Ford has not put a decent sedan on the market in my lifetime. Outside of the Taurus that is.
Them Taurus cars were bitching dude.
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February 20, 2019, 11:15 AM
HRK
February 20, 2019, 11:44 AM
flashguy
I've never owned a 4-wheeled vehicle that was not made by Ford. I drove my previous Daily Driver (1986 Mustang GT) for 20 years and bought a 2006 Mustang GT, which I've now driven for more than 12 years (and it's still going strong). I briefly had a 1977 F-150 with a 460cid engine that I dearly loved (but it was stolen and not recovered). I have owned 7 automobiles since 1959 and averaged 8 years each.
I am not seeking a replacement for my 2006 Mustang at this time. For fun, I have a 1966 Mustang (not my first one) that I don't count in my list of DDs.
Originally posted by maxdog: I have a truck, but really like to have a 4 door sedan too. Nothing like a nice rear wheel drive sedan with some power and good handling. When I began looking for one when I retired I thought an entry level “luxury performance car” would fit the ticket. All american manufs had to offer was front wheel dr. Front wheel dr performance car is an oxymoron. Only the really expensive brands had them (Mercedes, Lexus, BMW, Infin ect.)
Got a Genesis. RWD, 6 cyl, 330HP, great handling for a lot less. Little maint too. Never looked back.
I firmly believe that the disappearance of rear wheel drive has definitely contributed to the move away from cars. If a car is going to suck to drive, plow into corners with serious understeer, and suffer from torque steer then you might as well have a crossover SUV that exhibits all of those traits but can haul more stuff, and is easier to get in and out of.
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”
February 20, 2019, 06:08 PM
shovelhead
Guess I could add "Hey GM, I don't want a AWD SUV, give me a REAL 4WD SUV.
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February 20, 2019, 10:40 PM
DanH
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Originally posted by 18DAI: I want a sedan! A car! Is that too much to ask? I have no use for a Truck or SUV. I won't buy one. From you or anyone else.
Give me 4 doors, a V6. An interior color other than that dogshit yellow you seem to adorn every sedan interior in.
I am a life long Ford customer. But you are walking away from me. Again. Yes, I am still pissed you killed the Crown Vic.
Am I all alone here? Regards 18DAI
Yes, you are. The Crown Vic was a ghastly piece of shit that should have been retired long before it was...
As far as Ford cars, they've never made a rear-biased AWD sedan like the BMW 3 Series so I've never seriously looked at them for a car. Hell, it's probably a stunt to get people to go to a Lincoln dealer as you're getting the same car with little difference for an extra $5-15K on the sticker.
February 21, 2019, 07:11 AM
Lt CHEG
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Originally posted by shovelhead: Guess I could add "Hey GM, I don't want a AWD SUV, give me a REAL 4WD SUV.
Completely agree. I've had more GM trucks than any other maker and I can honestly say that the only SUV from them that I would consider is a Tahoe or Suburban.
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”
February 21, 2019, 07:15 AM
mrvmax
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Originally posted by Gibb: You may prefer a sedan over a SUV or truck, but the buying trends of the average Ford consumer show you are in the minority.
Even the police units are buying the Explorer over the Taurus by a sizable margin. Given they are built on the same subframe and lines, it makes business sense to concentrate on what the average consumer will purchase.
Bingo, they’ll make what sells for them. Trucks are big business, people are paying 60-70k for F350 diesels so somebody must want them.
February 21, 2019, 09:34 AM
Prefontaine
Sedan sales have been so bad that Honda is dealing hard on Accords and Toyota dealing even harder on Camrys. People are buying CUV’s in droves. 150HP CVT POS good for nothing CUV’s. All the manus are replacing sedans with CUV’s. I don’t like it either even though I loathe sedans myself. Give me a hatchback or a truck. A sedan doesn’t have the utility a hatchback does.
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