Would you expect anything less from an area that elected a Skinny?

I agree with FN in MT and Sig 2340. I have been out of that line of work for 10 years now and I have had a few interactions with some Officers who where over top and needed to chill out. Yes, it is dangerous work and I had a few encounters that I won't forget. Cops need to be Cops. They are not in a war zone and need to go back to being a Peace Officer who serves and protects, not treat every one like a threat. Wearing tactical vest, ball caps, and other tacticool crap on regular duty also sends the wrong message.

Do we have any idea what mystical "Warrior Training" is being banned? Any specifics mentioned?

Have cops been sneaking a few slots in Ranger School lately? Nope.

So it sounds like fluff speech to me. Virtue signalling that Warriors are not wanted.

Are they really going to say cops can't roll jitz, box, or attend krav classes anymore?

I don't get it.

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Originally posted by Yanert98:
Do we have any idea what mystical "Warrior Training" is being banned? Any specifics mentioned?

Have cops been sneaking a few slots in Ranger School lately? Nope.

So it sounds like fluff speech to me. Virtue signalling that Warriors are not wanted.

Are they really going to say cops can't roll jitz, box, or attend krav classes anymore?

I don't get it.

thats what I was wondering. identifying threats around you isn't a warrior mindset. Reacting to them is.

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Originally posted by Yanert98:
Do we have any idea what mystical "Warrior Training" is being banned? Any specifics mentioned?

Have cops been sneaking a few slots in Ranger School lately? Nope.

So it sounds like fluff speech to me. Virtue signalling that Warriors are not wanted.

Are they really going to say cops can't roll jitz, box, or attend krav classes anymore?

I don't get it.

It is something that sounds scary. The rhetoric sounds similar to that of those that cry that ARs are weapons of war and have no place on our streets.

I am equally as bewildered as to what “cop specific” training in this front is.

Remember Parkland? That’s what this article breeds.

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Originally posted by 4859:
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Cops need to be Cops. They are not in a war zone and need to go back to being a Peace Officer who serves and protects, not treat every one like a threat. Wearing tactical vest, ball caps, and other tacticool crap on regular duty also sends the wrong message.

I suspect there are a lot of big-city cops who would vociferously disagree with you, and probably some of the citizens they serve, too. There are parts of certain large cities that definitely would qualify as "war zones" as the probability of being shot in them exceeds that in Iraq or Afghanistan.

flashguy

I think the days of Andy Griffith cops are over and necessarily so. The culture and public have changed since I was a kid. The less moral the public and culture, the more aggressive law enforcement must be to maintain order. That's where we are.

Looking at most of the Youtube videos reporting/purporting police violence, it is pretty obvious that the officer did not use enough force or use force soon enough to avoid an extended encounter. The longer it goes on, the more likely there will be injuries and a Youtube video. Youtube videos of extended encounters lead to more stupid policies.

Like everything else, it’s a balance. Going into an active shooter scenario where your job is to engage and eliminate a deadly threat, likely at the cost of your own safety, you better be a damn warrior. Same thing working in certain inner cities or being a lone Deputy in a rural county.

At the same time you need to be able to empathize with a victim and talk to little kids.

I’ve worked with cops who can do one or the other but not both, and they’re liabilities.

Col. Grossman and his bulletproof mind presentation is motivational and intense, but needs to be tempered and vetted before applying the concepts to police work, especially in today’s anti-law enforcement society.

For the older guys decrying baseball hats and outer vest carriers, it’s a natural evolution. Radios, body armor, patrol rifles, semi auto pistols were all looked at as “militaristic” or “unnecessary” at some point and are now indispensable.

Bottom line, I’ll take a warrior partner over a coward any day.

It not so much the training, its how the training is applied and practiced. Any training that increases officer situation awareness and safety should be provided. And then supervised to ensure that it dovetails with the "protect and serve" model of traditional policing.
Safer cops. Safer communities.
And ball hats? American police are fascinated with stupid hats. Campaign hats, Stetsons and the round "bus driver" hats are not only expensive, they are impractical to wear, care for and keep clean. For a formal assembly, fine. On the street, get real.

Hmmm.... Instead, how about just not rushing some Somali through the academy, forging his performance records and pushing him out on the street - woefully unqualified - all in the interest of "diversity" and PC.

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Originally posted by JR78:
Would you expect anything less from an area that elected a Skinny?

Stow that shit and I mean permanently.

Do not let me see this from you again. Fair warning. I will not tolerate that stuff.

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Originally posted by chongosuerte:
This job is certainly in the crapper.

I’ve got people that work for me that NEED warrior training. Was pretty sure I was walking into an ambush the other night and I knew I was on my own with my particular set of circumstances.

And I’ve got ones that NEED verbal judo training.

Before Obama, it was fun. I doubt it’ll ever revert.

That pension though...just got to make 15 more years and not get fired...in a city ran by Democrats. We just had an officer involved shooting and everyone is up in arms. It’s getting old. Body cameras don’t help, even when it’s clearly justified.

Damned thing is we’re up to 40 murders and nobody batts an eye. One police shooting and the world is falling apart.

Best of luck my friend.

I thought so. I had to go back and look, but, JR78, I had already warned you about this stuff:

https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...320074354#4320074354

So, you can spend the next 30 days on Moderated Status. Next time will be the last time.

And to the rest of the forum, pay heed. I will not tolerate this nonsense.

"The mayor claims this type of training contributes to police paranoia and an itchy trigger finger."

I would ask what objective facts, not subjective opinions, Mayor Frey has that supports this statement. What is this hypothesis based upon?

To me this sounds like political posturing/pandering, nothing more.

This reaction from the public comes up every so many years. It did many years ago when I was on the streets. Be nice, and tip your hat, hug a thug, etcc.

It is all wording. Now it is Crisis intervention, hands off, transparency etc..

I have been applying and going to interviews both in NC and the surrounding states to try and get back on the patrol side.

It is kind of scary.

I have seen and spoken with numerous Officers during and after the interviews. I would say many need to learn Officer presence, verbal judo (like Chongosuerte mentioned) and situational awareness. Hell most need to learn just how to talk with someone.

I took Chongosuerte advice and looked at Charlotte. I would get fired. Heck most of the Officers/Detectives don't like my command presence when I show up to work my investigations. I cannot imagine if I was a patrolman.

Chongo is correct on the body count, and I can say that I think I have been on the scene and worked over 3/4 of them.

Some argue over the uniform of the day. I do not like the outer vest carrier, but that is a personal thing with me. I do like the ball caps because I am not a State Trooper.

It is a personal choice regarding BDU's over class A's for patrol. Heck I was happy when we could wear boots over dress shoes.

I think if the Academy would teach command presence when you arrive on scene it would go really far on the streets. It seems all they do now is fill the rookies head with so much garbage they are scared to step out of the cruiser.

MN is becoming the Commiefornia of the midwest.

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Originally posted by chongosuerte:
That pension though...just got to make 15 more years and not get fired...in a city ran by Democrats.

I know nothing about the city and state finances where you are. What are the chances your agency will be able to pay in a pension in 15 years? I wouldn’t bet on it in CA or IL, but maybe NC is in better financial shape?

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
MN is becoming the Commiefornia of the midwest.

There are many Democrats in Hennepin and Ramsey Counties who are trying their best to get there as quickly as possible. The metro area is growing at a rapid pace and importing immigrants to boost their numbers. Those of us in the rest of the state want nothing to do with their bullshit, but the demographics are probably past the point of no return.

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Originally posted by jljones:

quote:

Originally posted by Yanert98:
Do we have any idea what mystical "Warrior Training" is being banned? Any specifics mentioned?

Have cops been sneaking a few slots in Ranger School lately? Nope.

So it sounds like fluff speech to me. Virtue signalling that Warriors are not wanted.

Are they really going to say cops can't roll jitz, box, or attend krav classes anymore?

I don't get it.

It is something that sounds scary. The rhetoric sounds similar to that of those that cry that ARs are weapons of war and have no place on our streets.

I am equally as bewildered as to what “cop specific” training in this front is.

Remember Parkland? That’s what this article breeds.

www DOT Copspectraining.com is available.... just sayin.


Also, I think you guys are right- the training isn't the problem- the rhetoric is. I am as paranoid as the next guy when DHS buys millions of rounds and APC/ MRAP style vehicles- but so what if the local Mayberry SD (like my local SD that is awesome) rolls up to a Meth King's house in an MRAP to keep from getting shot?

I guess I'll change my tune when "they" come in an APC for my guns. (INSERT ROLLING EYES. )