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British doctor who found a way to talk to patients trapped between life and death
August 29, 2017, 02:24 PM
Ronin1069British doctor who found a way to talk to patients trapped between life and death
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/hea...?ito=social-facebookAn amazing discovery, but where from here?
This year I had to convince my step-mom to "turn my dad off" after a major stroke. I know two things for a fact, that he would not want to live as a veg, and that if I had been able to communicate with him, he was too afraid to die to give the okay.
An interesting future can-of-legal worms this potentially brings up.
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August 29, 2017, 02:33 PM
Sig209That's incredible.
A patient 'could' live a meaningful life even though we only see them as laying motionless in a bed.
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August 29, 2017, 02:37 PM
12GAIf my "meaningful" life consists of being fed intravenously while lying in bed watching t.v. unable to communicate with a loved one then just let me die.
Better yet, please kill me.
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August 29, 2017, 03:18 PM
Balzé Halzéquote:
Originally posted by 12GA:
If my "meaningful" life consists of being fed intravenously while lying in bed watching t.v. unable to communicate with a loved one then just let me die.
Better yet, please kill me.
Indeed. Just hand the M240 Incinerator Unit over to Sergeant Apone and let him go to town on me.
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August 29, 2017, 03:20 PM
Sailor1911Or, if forced to listen to Celine Dion records, please kill me!
Place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark.
“If in winning a race, you lose the respect of your fellow competitors, then you have won nothing” - Paul Elvstrom "The Great Dane" 1928 - 2016 August 29, 2017, 03:51 PM
FenrisThat's not living.
God Bless and Protect our Beloved President, Donald John Trump. August 29, 2017, 04:11 PM
BBMWThere's a point in here. If they are conscious, still mentally functional, and can be communicated with, they could be asked to make the decision, not have someone make it for them and/or be forced to make the decision beforehand (thinking living will.)
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Originally posted by 12GA:
If my "meaningful" life consists of being fed intravenously while lying in bed watching t.v. unable to communicate with a loved one then just let me die.
Better yet, please kill me.
August 29, 2017, 04:15 PM
rduckworIt may not be living, but it is an important discovery related to persistent vegetative states.
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August 29, 2017, 05:24 PM
12GAquote:
Originally posted by BBMW:
There's a point in here. If they are conscious, still mentally functional, and can be communicated with, they could be asked to make the decision, not have someone make it for them and/or be forced to make the decision beforehand (thinking living will.)
quote:
Originally posted by 12GA:
If my "meaningful" life consists of being fed intravenously while lying in bed watching t.v. unable to communicate with a loved one then just let me die.
Better yet, please kill me.
Yes I can see it now, DNR's being widely overturned based on the level of oxygen being used by comatose patients' brains, coming to a theater near you.
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August 29, 2017, 05:27 PM
FishOnGive me a hot shot of morphine, and let me check out, please.
August 29, 2017, 05:37 PM
BBMWLet's say the FMRI technique could be used to ask yes or no questions to the patient in question. Based on the article, I could easily see this is possible.
A psychologist could come up with an array of these questions that could determine if the patient was alert and aware of their situation. If the patient passed this battery of tests, and was then asked something like "given your physical state, and the likely hood, or lack thereof of recovery, do you want to be kept alive", would you ignore their answer?
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Originally posted by 12GA:
quote:
Originally posted by BBMW:
There's a point in here. If they are conscious, still mentally functional, and can be communicated with, they could be asked to make the decision, not have someone make it for them and/or be forced to make the decision beforehand (thinking living will.)
quote:
Originally posted by 12GA:
If my "meaningful" life consists of being fed intravenously while lying in bed watching t.v. unable to communicate with a loved one then just let me die.
Better yet, please kill me.
Yes I can see it now, DNR's being widely overturned based on the level of oxygen being used by comatose patients' brains, coming to a theater near you.
August 29, 2017, 05:40 PM
Sig2340quote:
Originally posted by 12GA:
If my "meaningful" life consists of being fed intravenously while lying in bed watching t.v. unable to communicate with a loved one then just let me die.
Better yet, please kill me.
I explained my desire to my daughter this way: "If I am in a coma with no likelihood of recovery, I want you to take steps to end my life. If you don't, when I die I will haunt you."
Her response was "Pull the plug. Got it."
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August 29, 2017, 05:47 PM
12GAquote:
Originally posted by BBMW:
Let's say the FMRI technique could be used to ask yes or no questions to the patient in question. Based on the article, I could easily see this is possible.
A psychologist could come up with an array of these questions that could determine if the patient was alert and aware of their situation. If the patient passed this battery of tests, and was then asked something like "given your physical state, and the likely hood, or lack thereof of recovery, do you want to be kept alive", would you ignore their answer?
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Originally posted by 12GA:
quote:
Originally posted by BBMW:
There's a point in here. If they are conscious, still mentally functional, and can be communicated with, they could be asked to make the decision, not have someone make it for them and/or be forced to make the decision beforehand (thinking living will.)
quote:
Originally posted by 12GA:
If my "meaningful" life consists of being fed intravenously while lying in bed watching t.v. unable to communicate with a loved one then just let me die.
Better yet, please kill me.
Yes I can see it now, DNR's being widely overturned based on the level of oxygen being used by comatose patients' brains, coming to a theater near you.
Sure sure, I see. It'll go something like this:
Dr. Stinkmeyer: Soon to be widow Mrs Jones, your husband indicates that he likes playing tennis, he wishes to have a DNR, and desires to leave his entire estate to Our Lady of Incredulous Constipation Hospital. What time tomorrow would you like us to pull the plug?"
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August 29, 2017, 06:05 PM
mcrimmI always wondered if a person in a vegetative state, with any level of awareness, wouldn't just go insane.....Celine Dion or no Celine Dion.
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FenrisEver read
Johnny Got His Gun?
God Bless and Protect our Beloved President, Donald John Trump. August 29, 2017, 07:08 PM
SigJacketquote:
Originally posted by Fenris:
Ever read Johnny Got His Gun?
Or see the movie. Very good.
August 29, 2017, 08:20 PM
g8rforesterI think this is awesome!
We now have confirmation that, in fact, some vegetative patients are "still there." Hopefully this leads to research and advances in the realm of bringing them back. It certainly makes the case that it's worth spending precious research dollars on the effort.
August 29, 2017, 08:22 PM
Jimbo JonesGREAT book! Never saw the movie.
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Originally posted by SigJacket:
quote:
Originally posted by Fenris:
Ever read Johnny Got His Gun?
Or see the movie. Very good.
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August 29, 2017, 08:45 PM
46and2Amazing if true.
It's not hard to believe that some folks who appear to have checked out - haven't - yet, but that our detection abilities simply haven't/hadn't yet matured enough to know the difference. We (modern science and medicine) barely understand the brain as it is.
We're smart creatures, and have accomplished a ton in the last few hundred years as far as science and medicine and knowledge of the human brain and body goes, but we don't know it all, and as advanced as we are - we're but a few steps down the path of humanity.
Barely 2500 years have passed since Plato, seems long but isn't, roughly 75 generations of reason. No matter what you believe with respect to the origin us, if you believe in any degree of evolution - 75 iterations aren't a lot, which is to say - we're just getting started...
If only we'd be around long enough to see what happens in the next 2500 years.
August 29, 2017, 09:05 PM
Sig209quote:
Originally posted by 46and2:
Amazing if true.
It's not hard to believe that some folks who appear to have checked out - haven't - yet, but that our detection abilities simply haven't/hadn't yet matured enough to know the difference. We (modern science and medicine) barely understand the brain as it is.
We're smart creatures, and have accomplished a ton in the last few hundred years as far as science and medicine and knowledge of the human brain and body goes, but we don't know it all, and as advanced as we are - we're but a few steps down the path of humanity.
Barely 2500 years have passed since Plato, seems long but isn't, roughly 75 generations of reason. No matter what you believe with respect to the origin us, if you believe in any degree of evolution - 75 iterations aren't a lot, which is to say - we're just getting started...
If only we'd be around long enough to see what happens in the next 2500 years.
Very well-said.
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