Back before the idiots had the mental institutions shutdown, I suspect the Justin Mohn would likely have been institutionalized. Instead, he lived in amongst us and chopped off a productive member of society's head.

We have a mental health crisis in this country. For example, Harris County (i.e. county that contains Houston, TX) has a multi-story county jail, and 2 stories of it is for mental health (i.e. they've gone through the legal system to end up there). My friend who is a County Deputy (worked at the jail off and on) says the mental health floors are a revolving door. Most only are medicated when in the county jail, and quit meds shortly after getting out.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
What did you have in mind?

Unlike some people I try to remain open to suggestions or discussions rather than relying upon rudeness or gratuitous attacks.

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Back before the idiots had the mental institutions shutdown, I suspect the Justin Mohn would likely have been institutionalized. Instead, he lived in amongst us and chopped off a productive member of society's head.

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Not likely. Things like this happened in the 30s and 40s. What is more likely is that he was found to be mentally ill after the act and put into an institution where he got large amounts of thorazine and lived out his life. Nobody wants to pay for mental health and the majority of psychotic people are in our jails.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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Back before the idiots had the mental institutions shutdown, I suspect the Justin Mohn would likely have been institutionalized. Instead, he lived in amongst us and chopped off a productive member of society's head.

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Not likely. Things like this happened in the 30s and 40s. What is more likely is that he was found to be mentally ill after the act and put into an institution where he got large amounts of thorazine and lived out his life. Nobody wants to pay for mental health and the majority of psychotic people are in our jails.

This lack of investment in housing the ill has been a very long-running problem in the US. Law makers and government bureaucrats are 1) ignoring it, 2) doing the math that says let a few be murdered or die instead of paying for the cost of institutionalism, or 3) both. Sort of like auto manufacturers doing the safety/lawsuit cost tradeoff calculations for the Ford Pinto exploding gas tanks of the 70s, that sort of thing.

Paranoid schizophrenic. Mental condition possibly precipitated by marijuana use. FYI marijuana's active ingredient, THC, has increased from a low of ca 4% in the 1960a to a high of ca 25% today. Also worsens bipolar disorder. Do some Google research on both paranoid schizophrenia and bipolar to substantiate. This problem is only likely to increase over the time.

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Originally posted by LoboGunLeather:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
What did you have in mind?

Unlike some people I try to remain open to suggestions or discussions rather than relying upon rudeness or gratuitous attacks.

Yeah? Well, unlike some people, I speak directly, especially when conveying my wishes while on my own property.

I find this to be an efficient method, hurt feelings notwithstanding.

If I were to be managing school children, I would likely adopt a softer tone, but this is a venue for adults.

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Originally posted by uvahawk:
FYI marijuana's active ingredient, THC, has increased from a low of ca 4% in the 1960a to a high of ca 25% today.

Try high 30's to low 40's for today.

Today, they don't use gas chromatography to test THC like they did then, they use HPLC, or High Performance Liquid Chromatography. Any stoner can tell you that burning weed or even concentrates at too high a temperature burns off the THC, and they can tell you that from experience. This is around 450f. This is relevant because gas chromatography runs at 370-572f, or a temperature that's burning off the compound they're trying to test for. HPLC tests at room temperature.

So, how they test it today is entirely different than how they did it back then. So, too, are how the samples are treated, at least by anecdote. The stuff they tested back then wasn't stored at controlled temperatures in sealed containers vs how dispensaries test things now, and that's where the higher numbers are coming from. I'm finding articles of even recent testing of months-old stuff covered with mold being tested by government facilities as recently as 2016.

All that can be verified with Google searching as well. This is our version of "shoulder thing that goes up," "heat-seeking incendiary ammunition" Fuddlore, gentlemen.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by LoboGunLeather:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
What did you have in mind?

Unlike some people I try to remain open to suggestions or discussions rather than relying upon rudeness or gratuitous attacks.

Yeah? Well, unlike some people, I speak directly, especially when conveying my wishes while on my own property.

I find this to be an efficient method, hurt feelings notwithstanding.

If I were to be managing school children, I would likely adopt a softer tone, but this is a venue for adults.

By all means, manage your world as you see fit. When you are rude or offensive you should not be surprised when some folks respond.

Since this is a venue for adults perhaps everyone should behave accordingly. When you are acting in a management capacity your words and actions should reflect leadership, not adolescent confrontation.

Enjoy your day.

It seems to me once it came out that this guy was just your run-of-the-mill wackjob and that he seemed to hate Trump in all his online rantings and ravings just as much as Biden, MSM interest in the story dropped right off.

Lobo, if I misinterpreted your remark- if it was intended as sarcasm, then you have my apology, but it seemed to me you were discounting the egregious nature of the man's crime, which of course, would be idiotic.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Lobo, if I misinterpreted your remark- if it was intended as sarcasm, then you have my apology, but it seemed to me you were discounting the egregious nature of the man's crime, which of course, would be idiotic.

I think we are done with this. My remark was intended to relate the story to modern societal trends; perhaps more sardonic than purely sarcastic. I do not mock or discount any tragedy, but the growing level of such incidents can easily be observed in the continuing barrage of bizarre behaviors displayed in daily news accounts.

Para, I'm not going to even try to open the post. I've seen headless bodies, and bodiless heads, and even a little girl's hand, torn off at the wrist by the explosion that killed her, buried up to the knuckles in a wooden telegraph pole.

Heads in buckets are symptomatic of the same degree of mental degeneration - one guy, plainly out of his tree on some kind of psychosis, or a bunch of fanatics who imagine that bombing family cars with families still in them is going to make them 'more representative of the wishes of the people' - a quote from Gerry Adams, leader of Sinn Féin and the 'hidden man' behind the provisional IRA.

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Originally posted by PASig:
It seems to me once it came out that this guy was just your run-of-the-mill wackjob and that he seemed to hate Trump in all his online rantings and ravings just as much as Biden, MSM interest in the story dropped right off.

15 followers on Utube and by the end of the day clamoring for a new law against militias? (2A assault)

Same old MO, song and dance, false flag operation.

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Originally posted by MoosehornMan:
false flag operation.

Do you know that each and every time a crime happens which might damage the conservative side of things, people start yammering about "false flags" and "psy ops" and all the rest of that shit?

It's silly. You cannot provide evidence to support your claim, but we have the evidence of the crime before our very eyes. Ockham's Razor applies here.

You're suggesting that this guy either isn't crazy and has thrown his life away in support of a government operation which would have dubious effect, or that he is actually insane, and his "handlers" are confident that he will never reveal the real reasons for his actions, and name names.

Neither of these hypotheses makes a bit of sense.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
This strikes close to home for me. My own son (who is extremely bright) started smoking pot in college.

chellim, I am so sorry to hear this. I have had two friends with sons who experienced psychosis after smoking marijuana. One friend's son had to be hospitalized for several years, but is now leading a decent life with regular professional help. The other friend did not survive. He was shot by his son during an episode.

I pray that you, your son and your family will continue to do well in these circumstances.


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If you guys want to commiserate about how cannabis is bad, please start a thread.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by MoosehornMan:
false flag operation.

Do you know that each and every time a crime happens which might damage the conservative side of things, people start yammering about "false flags" and "psy ops" and all the rest of that shit?

It's silly. You cannot provide evidence to support your claim, but we have the evidence of the crime before our very eyes. Ockham's Razor applies here.

You're suggesting that this guy either isn't crazy and has thrown his life away in support of a government operation which would have dubious effect, or that he is actually insane, and his "handlers" are confident that he will never reveal the real reasons for his actions, and name names.

Neither of these hypotheses makes a bit of sense.

Do you know that it isn't?
They usually end up dead.
If you believe they do not do this type of thing you are welcome to your opinion.
There is too many nut jobs out there, but how do they get that way?
Ever hear of MK Ultra?
Just another conspiracy theory...
Maybe, but so many have been proven true.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
If you guys want to commiserate about how cannabis is bad, please start a thread.

Got it. I'm sorry para.

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I realize that the banality of truth holds no interest when compared to the belief in all these whiz-bang covert government operations.

I laid it out for you logically and you have chosen to ignore it.

You want to believe- in the absence of any such evidence- that this guy professed conservative beliefs so that these beliefs would be discredited after he committed a heinous crime and therefore, he threw his life away for a government operation which may not prove effective in any way. Ridiculous

Alternately, you would believe that this guy is actually insane, and he had government handlers who could guide this nut to committing a heinous crime, and afterwards, this irrational person could be counted on to never reveal the conspiracy or the names of his conspirators. Also ridiculous, and in the textbook definition of the word: Deserving or inspiring ridicule; absurd, preposterous, or silly. foolish.

I have little patience for this stuff- people claiming conspiracies when they have no- that is ZERO- actual evidence of any such thing.

Since you seem bound to push the matter, I'll tell you straight out- it makes you look silly. It makes you look gullible and illogical.

You might want to actually consider the things I am saying to you, instead of brushing them aside.

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Ever hear of MK Ultra?

Yes, I have. Over and over and over, and almost always from people who display a penchant for gullibility.

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people who display a penchant for gullibility.

I have always thought outside the box, then I learned, there is more beyond that to contemplate. I have learned many things I used to believe were true, were just the fictional sides of that box.
It is hard to break the chains of the lies that have been our foundational truths.

I know this IS your forum I my goal is not to piss you off, but am glad we can have a civil conversation about it, and will say no more.