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Boot me or put me on a timeout but...
When I need your advice on how to manage this forum, I'll ask for it, and as for every other subject known to man, you can safely assume that I am not interested in your fucking opinion.

Just stop yammering. I told you to cool it and I am not going to tell you again.

You are not going to have the last word. Period. You don't get to lecture me in this forum.
 
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Stay the fuck out of women's bodies


The problem with this leftist talking point is that it is not the woman's body that concerns the anti-abortion folks. You do realize there is ANOTHER human being involved in this unique human contract called pregnancy- the baby in the womb. A baby is not a pound of flesh, not an insignificant body part like an appendix or tonsils, a concept embraced by many on the left. The baby is a separate human being, a separate soul. The woman's body is to protect the baby from outside forces, and it is shameful that we devolved from a society that used to protect the unborn baby at all costs, to a society that can willfully murder them at the drop of a hat.



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Abortion, LBGTQ rights and gun control are way, way down on the list of important things. Economy and security concern people for than anything else.

They might as well as call themselves the Pro Life party with side issue platforms. Being pro life has accomplished jack shit in prior elections. This is true over and over and over.

All of these issues have two sides to them, and if you think 'gun control' is way, way down on the list of important things, you are on the wrong forum! Further, how you could not inseparably link 'security' to 'gun control' is simply astounding!


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The dems won both the house and the senate here in VA and we are screwed. Look for even more gun control laws and restrictions to be passed, even worse than what we have now.



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^^^Barring veto-proof majorities, which there arent, the worst thing that will happen is nothing!


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Guns and Abortion get the checkbooks out and that's all you need to remember as to "why" they're platform issues for the two parties. They don't care about privacy, the Constitution or much of anything but themselves and holding onto power.
 
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Abortion, LBGTQ rights and gun control are way, way down on the list of important things. Economy and security concern people for than anything else.

They might as well as call themselves the Pro Life party with side issue platforms. Being pro life has accomplished jack shit in prior elections. This is true over and over and over.

All of these issues have two sides to them, and if you think 'gun control' is way, way down on the list of important things, you are on the wrong forum! Further, how you could not inseparably link 'security' to 'gun control' is simply astounding!


Gun control is more important to one side than the other.

Crime control is what voters are concerned with a gun control, one way or the other, is only a part of it.

The voters are seeing no bail not working, catch and release everywhere, early release, shoplifting or crimes without consequence and government doing nothing to address it. Crime control doesn't always mean pro-gun to everyone, even though it should.
 
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^^^So which side is gun control 'more' important to, or are you being intentionally vague? There are two sides to the issue, and for certain, it's a damn important issue to everyone on our side!


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At least the voters in Loudoun did two things right.

That vile hag Biberaj is gone along with the last Democrats on the LCPS Board.

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Dailywire.com: Prosecutor Who Tried To Jail Loudoun Dad Wiped Out At The Ballot Box

Buta Biberaj as well as the rest of the remaining Loudoun County school board members voted out of office

By Luke Rosiak
Nov 8, 2023 DailyWire.com

Voters have opted to kick to the curb the most over-the-top villain of the Loudoun County, Virginia, transgender rape coverup — a prosecutor who won her position backed by an absurd sum of George Soros cash, then tried to jail the father of the rape victim despite running on a platform of leniency.

Commonwealth’s Attorney Buta Biberaj, the “progressive” prosecutor who openly boasted that she would simply decline to enforce laws if they didn’t mesh with her personal politics, lost narrowly to Bob Anderson, a Republican who previously held the position from 1996 to 2003.

Her political corpse, and those of every school board member who was in office during the 2021 scandal, joins that of former Superintendent Scott Zeigler, who was convicted of a crime for his role in the rape coverup this fall.

All of the nine school board seats were on the ballot, but only two incumbents bothered to run for re-election after the school system drew national disgrace. Both of those incumbents — both Democrats — were defeated on Tuesday, seeming to reflect a view that even in an environment that otherwise favored Democrats in Virginia and, those who sacrificed the safety and education of children for political reasons could not remain in power.

Biberaj refused to concede the race on Tuesday night, though she was down by more than 1,000 votes with essentially all votes counted.

An attorney from the Bronx, Biberaj ran for prosecutor in 2019 in the semi-rural Virginia county, fueled almost entirely by $800,000 from the liberal billionaire George Soros — a massive sum of money in a race where typical spending is typically more like $150,000. Even with an almost absurd amount of outside cash, she won by less than one percent, leading critics to say the seat was bought by the New York billionaire.

Her constant talk of partisan politics, and clear hatred of Republicans who she unfailingly demonized as “extremists,” was shocking considering that it was up to her whether someone went to prison — or didn’t.

Biberaj, alongside then-school board member Beth Barts, was a member of the “Anti-Racist Parents of Loudoun County,” a secret Facebook group whose members plotted to dox, hack, and destroy the livelihoods of any parent who questioned school COVID closures or critical race theory in schools.

Barts’ involvement in the group led to a successful recall petition, which under Virginia law means the prosecutor is supposed to argue to a judge that the official should be removed. Biberaj did not agree to recuse even though she had a clear conflict of interest, and instead seemed to want to throw the case.

In May 2021, a boy wearing a skirt raped a 15-year-old girl in a high school bathroom. Weeks later, Barts and other Democrats were looking to pass a policy allowing transgender students to use the bathroom of the opposite sex. As parents expressed concern about the safety implications, Barts asked whether there had ever been any sexual assaults in the bathroom, and the superintendent said no, because the concerns were based on bigotry.

Scott Smith, the father of the rape victim, was at the school board meeting. A member of the Anti-Racist Parents then came up to Smith and said she didn’t believe his daughter, and pledged to harm his plumbing business using social media — just as the Facebook group had plotted to do. Smith called her a “b**ch,” and was charged with disorderly conduct and, after struggling with the arresting officer, resisting arrest.

Biberaj personally prosecuted Smith — rather than delegating it to one of her trial attorneys, as is typical for nearly all cases, or dropping it, as she would typically do for other minor crimes. Biberaj ran on a platform of decarceration that painted jails as racist and favored alternatives like “restorative justice” over punitive punishments — but for the father of a rape victim who represented an inconvenient narrative for Democrat priorities, she sought a jail term, which was unheard of for disorderly conduct charges.

Smith was convicted by a judge. He later appealed and a judge threw out the resisting arrest charge, meaning the only remaining charge was “disorderly conduct” for cursing. Gov. Glenn Youngkin granted him a pardon, leading Biberaj to openly stew that she couldn’t put someone in jail for cursing. Late at night, she repeatedly posted on social media bizarre screeds about Smith, saying “Karma will not ever be your friend” and “[Smith’s Twitter handle] you are constantly showing your lack of humanity.”

When it came to the rapist — as opposed to his victim’s father — Biberaj released him from juvenile detention, allowing him to sexually assault another girl. He was ultimately convicted of both assaults, but due to an error by Biberaj, he was never placed on the sex offenders registry.

Sean Kennedy of Virginians for Safe Communities, which has called attention to the politicization of the role of chief law enforcement officer, told The Daily Wire that the result shows that “voters woke up.”

“Standing up for victims and law enforcement is not a partisan or ideological issue,” Kennedy said. “After a four year nightmare, Loudoun County voters woke up to the nightmarish reality of these (un)prosecutors and booted Buta Biberaj. Good riddance.”

Among school board races in Loudoun, Democrat Harris Mahedavi, who was on the school board during the rape coverup, lost narrowly to Republican Deana Griffiths.

After The Daily Wire’s October 2021 expose of the rape coverup, Barts resigned, and was replaced by Democrat Erika Ogedegbe, who went on to vote to conceal from the public the “independent” report that the board commissioned on the rape coverup, which confirmed massive Title IX violations by the district.

On Tuesday, Ogedegbe lost to the Republicans’ preferred candidate Lauren Shernoff, who ran on a platform of getting ideology out of schools.





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We have a sick society when we allow a baby to be killed for convenience, as most abortions are.

No, ALL abortions are. Not "most". Every single one of them.

Rolling up on 70,000,000 slaughtered children since the Roe ruling. 70,000,000. For convenience and selfishness. No other reason. Sleep on that thought. 7 million Jews slaughtered and we scream "never again". 70 million children slaughtered and we scream for more. Some of you people are just plain fucking sick.


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Meanwhile, over here in Fairfax County our commonwealth attorney supported by the G.S. guy mentioned above by Sig2340 ran unopposed except for write in ballots; his challenger got 44% of the vote though. And the school board is solid "D".
 
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You could say Republicans failed to take advantage of voter’s frustrations, and I’d agree.

Until Ronna Romney is removed as the head of the RNC, nothing will change. Problem is, the RNC is the organization of the McCarthys and Ryans and the Cheneys and the Romneys. It'll be a tough job rooting them out. Gaetz got the ball rolling and let's hope it keeps up, but only when those leftist/deep staters are gone from any position of power, will we see meaningful changes in election outcomes.

They WANT status quo because it keeps them in power and it keeps/makes them rich, but they tell us in flyover country (and everywhere else) that they are fighting the good fight for us. They are lying.


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Meanwhile, over here in Fairfax County our commonwealth attorney supported by the G.S. guy mentioned above by Sig2340 ran unopposed except for write in ballots; his challenger got 44% of the vote though. And the school board is solid "D".


If that 44% had just bothered to go vote in the Democratic primary, an open primary, Ed Nuttall would be Fairfax County's Commonwealth Attorney right now.

But alas, Republicans will never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
 
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Living in central VA, and in a conservative county, it sickens me to have seen all the commercials on tv by the Dems, basically running on abortion as their main platform and winning.

How in this world have we become a state or nation, who supports killing children for convenience.
Im more and more disappointed in humanity every day.




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GOP, esp in Va, has managed to shoot itself in the foot for years,

this election was no different,

Youngkin and crew won because McAwful stepped on his dick, and pissed off the soccer moms

the GOP needs to dial back the Abortion bit, that may piss off many, but it is a bit obvious the dems beat that horse to death, and the GOP let them, hence the left took over,, again,



also, the Dems, , cheating or not, are lock step in opinion and gettign votes, the GOP,, no so much,

damn shame too,


but at least the porn star did not get elected



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I agree with J.D. Vance. Morally, I am opposed to abortion. Politically, such a position will deny conservatives power. Politics is the art of persuading people to vote for you, and then using the resultant power to improve their lives. The first step is getting elected; if you can't do that, you don't get to play.

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For pro lifers, last night was a gut punch. No sugar coating it.

Giving up on the unborn is not an option. It's politically dumb and morally repugnant. Instead, we need to understand why we lost this battle so we can win the war.

I was very involved in the "no" campaign for issue 1, so let me share a few insights.

First, we got creamed among voters who disliked both Issue 1 and also Ohio's current law (heartbeat bill). We saw this consistently in polling and in conversations. "I don't like Issue 1, but I'd rather have that extreme than the other extreme." This is a political fact, not my opinion.

Second, we have to recognize how much voters mistrust us (meaning elected Republicans) on this issue. Having an unplanned pregnancy is scary. Best case, you're looking at social scorn and thousands of dollars of unexpected medical bills. We need people to see us as the pro-life party, not just the anti-abortion party.

Third, as Donald Trump has said, "you've got to have the exceptions." I am as pro life as anyone, and I want to save as many babies as possible. This is not about moral legitimacy but political reality. I've seen dozens of good polls on the abortion question in the last few months, many of them done in Ohio. Give people a choice between abortion restrictions very early in pregnancy with exceptions, or the pro choice position, and the pro life view has a fighting chance. Give people a heartbeat bill with no exceptions and it loses 65-35. (The reason we didn't lose 65-35 last night is that some people who hate "no exceptions" restrictions will still refuse to vote for things like Issue 1).

Fourth, we've spent so much time winning a legal argument on abortion that we've fallen behind on the moral argument. I talked to so many decent people who voted yes on Issue 1, and their reasons varied. Some described themselves as "pro life" but hated the lack of a rape exception in Ohio law. Some were worried that Ohio law would prevent them from addressing an ectopic pregnancy, or a late term miscarriage. Some didn't understand the "viability" standard in Issue 1, and thought that of course you should be able to abort a "non-viable" pregnancy as that would be a danger to the mother. You can criticize the propaganda effort on the other side for lying to people about these issues or confusing the populace, but it suggests we have to do a much better job of persuasion. And I'm not just talking about 30 second TV commercials--I'm talking about sustained, years long efforts to show the heart of the pro life movement.

Fifth, money. We got outspent big time on Issue 1, and across the country. Republicans are almost always outspent by Democrats. Relatedly, Democrats are better at turning out in off year elections. The national party should be focused on two, and only two issues: how to juice turnout in off year elections and how to close the finance gap with Democrats.

A lot of people put their heart and soul into this campaign. The local right to life organizations in Ohio, The Center for Christian Virtue, SBA, Governor Dewine, and so many others. I tip my hat to them.

A lot of people are celebrating right now, and I don't care about that. I do care about the fact that because we lost, many innocent children will never have a chance to live their dreams.

There is something sociopathic about a political movement that tells young women (and men) that it is liberating to murder their own children. So let's keep fighting for our country's children, and let's find a way to win.
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Meanwhile, over here in Fairfax County our commonwealth attorney supported by the G.S. guy mentioned above by Sig2340 ran unopposed except for write in ballots; his challenger got 44% of the vote though. And the school board is solid "D".



If that 44% had just bothered to go vote in the Democratic primary, an open primary, Ed Nuttall would be Fairfax County's Commonwealth Attorney right now.


But alas, Republicans will never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.


Exactly, Broadside. FWIW I did my part and voted against him and several others in the primary. Wasn't too pleased that my Delegate was also unopposed. He authored one of the more idiotic anti-2A bills back in the Ralphie days.
 
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I agree with J.D. Vance. Morally, I am opposed to abortion. Politically, such a position will deny conservatives power.

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Stay the fuck out of women's bodies, and stay the fuck out of the bedroom.

Is not what J.D. Vance is saying...

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I do care about the fact that because we lost, many innocent children will never have a chance to live their dreams.

There is something sociopathic about a political movement that tells young women (and men) that it is liberating to murder their own children. So let's keep fighting for our country's children, and let's find a way to win.

Finding a way to win is not the same as avoiding the conflict because there are more important things or it's too much effort.



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You are correct in noting that Vance is not willing to say what I am in order to win. I'm not a politician, who is reliant on donors who want republicans involved in the abortion debate. I am willing to say what he is not.

I don't want my preferred politicians involved in the debate. I want to leave the debate behind, and focus on gaining and using power for things that at this time we can achieve.

Abortion is a moral issue. Political power is not. Law is not a morality play, even when laws have a moral component. Laws are the agreed rules of society. Society, at the moment, can not agree on the rules for this issue, and the moral position is a political loser.

Winning this issue will take years of persuasion, not a moment of voting.



"I vowed to myself to fight against evil more completely and more wholeheartedly than I ever did before. . . . That’s the only way to pay back part of that vast debt, to live up to and try to fulfill that tremendous obligation."

Alfred Hornik, Sunday, December 2, 1945 to his family, on his continuing duty to others for surviving WW II.
 
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Winning this issue will take years of persuasion, not a moment of voting.

You are definitely right about that. It took 50 years to wrestle the issue away from 9 men (at that time) in black robes. It will never be a "settled" issue as long as human lives are at stake.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
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"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
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