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I think they also should forgive all the debts that their medical graduates are still bearing. What do you think? While at it, forgive all debts for all, not just medical, graduates. And offer free tuition for all current and future students.

Lets be honest here, none of these programs are "free". Because someone has to pay for them. In this case I expect that the costs will end up with students in other programs paying higher tuition's and by taxpayers getting another hit.

BTW, any time I here these "free tuition" schemes I remember that when I was in college I could not deduct one single penny of my cuasts on my yearly taxes, not book costs, not tuition costs, and not any other cost associated with my college education.

I also remember that my Calculus textbooks were purchased used and had been used at Ohio State for at least 10 years before I started using them. So, what's the point of this. It is that when I was at Ohio State it was possible for one to WORK their way through college without taking out any loans. Yeah I did eat a lot of Ramen noodles but finished school debt free because the costs for tuition and other fees were strictly controlled and kept low by intent by the university. One thing never mentioned today is the absolutely LAVISH spending by today's universities without any regard to costs because student loans are now so widely available that the universities have set aside any cost control considerations. No used textbooks because every years it's a brand new textbook, so what, the students can pay of it. That attitude is how universities think today.

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Originally posted by PD:
Aside from the tuition BS, I don’t want to see diversity in medical school. I want to see the most qualified students.

Well, we couldn't have a VA healthcare system if it weren't for all those barely C students.

You say that like ending the VA medical system is a bad thing.

I think it needs to be closed and the assets sold to pay down the national debt.

Let those eligible go where they choose. You'll likely see a reduction in cost and an improvement in outcomes.

I do not see how New York State is going to do this without being sued for discrimination.

Brother, there isn't a person on this planet that advocates for the disappearance of VA system of healthcare more than I do! Just an example from Wednesday. I had an appointment at the McGuire/Hunter Holmes VA center in Richmond. Appointment time was 10am. I intentionally leave my house with enough time to get there at least an hour early, because most days, that's how long it takes to find 1 single parking spot. It's gotten so bad that patients have resorted to hopping the curbs and parking on the grassy areas, all while the VA Police write tickets for violators.

This problem is due to the sheer number of people employed by the VA. 70 percent of those in the parking lot are not getting care of any sort. Just there collecting a paycheck. I have come across exactly 1 doctor that has actually helped improve my health any (acupuncturist). The rest just want to meet with you for 4-5 minutes and hand you a new pill to add to the 20 that you have already been prescribed through various others in the VA. FUCK THE WHOLE LOT OF THEM!!!!

I believe that most veteran suicides are due to hopelessness they feel due to the lack of proper care through the VA along with over-medication.

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The rest just want to meet with you for 4-5 minutes and hand you a new pill to add to the 20 that you have already been prescribed through various others in the VA. FUCK THE WHOLE LOT OF THEM!!!! Mad

My experience also.
They are going to send you home with skrip coming in the mail.
You cant cancel that scrip it comes each month.
You have to tell them to hold it and that stops it and the payment also.
My digging into this about the so called doc was he only made $186,000
a year but got a spif on each scrip he wrote.

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Originally posted by PD:
Aside from the tuition BS, I don’t want to see diversity in medical school. I want to see the most qualified students.

Then it would be all Asians, they are by far the ones with the best grades and test scores. They are also the ones that are discriminated against the most in order to put some white kids and a few black kids in.

All Asians, eh? This might come as a shocker to you, but I've met and gone to school with some pretty dumb Asians. I've also known some pretty dumb whites, blacks, Hispanics...makes no difference their race. There's always some dumb ones among them.

He means med schools would be filled with mostly Asian students, not that every Asian would get into medical school.

I know exactly what he meant. So there isn't a single white med student who is smarter than any Asian med student? Rolley eyes right back at you.

He was talking about general trends.

On average, asians score higher on standardized testing than any other racial group in the US. There's a cultural focus on education and performance that just isn't present (or isn't present to the same degree) in any other racial group.

It has been general knowledge for years that, given equal qualifications and taking a white applicant as a baseline, a black student is more likely to be admitted and an asian student is less likely to be admitted. This is done to try to promote diversity - to have more black students than would otherwise be admitted and fewer asian students than would otherwise be admitted.

There's a lot of detail on the subject in the following article, including average test scores, test score advantages, admission rates, etc.

https://www.insidehighered.com...and-admissions-elite

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Another Espenshade study, this one with Chang Chung, a senior staff member in Princeton's Office of Population Research, looked at data from elite colleges to see what would happen if race and ethnicity were eliminated from consideration. The study appeared in Social Science Quarterly in 2005.

The study found that, without affirmative action, the acceptance rate for African-American candidates at elite colleges would be likely to fall by nearly two-thirds, from 33.7 percent to 12.2 percent, while the acceptance rate for Hispanic applicants probably would be cut in half, from 26.8 percent to 12.9 percent.

White applicants would have seen little change in this analysis. Their admission rate would rise slightly, to 24.3 percent, from 23.8 percent.

The big gains would be for Asian applicants. Their admission rate in a race-neutral system would go to 23.4 percent, from 17.6 percent. And their share of a class of admitted students would rise to 31.5 percent, from 23.7 percent.

Up until now, I never thought about becoming a medical doctor, but since it's free, what the heck - I'm gonna be a doctor!

So, private benefactors of a private University want to use their private money to make an endowment that will entirely fund the tuition of their private Medical School?

I think that's great.

For years, many of our best and brightest have done the math on a medical career and said "Hell no!"
And who can blame them? Tuition costs are up. Pay is down. Malpractice insurance costs are up. Even respect for the profession is down.
So, paying more to give up 10 years of your life to make less money, pay more insurance, and get less respect.
No wonder the really, really smart people are going to, where, Silicon Valley and Wall Street?

Tuition paid by a benefactor can attract some of these people back to medicine. It's a great idea.

Good for them for ponying up their own money instead of spending 1/100th as much to buy a politician to pass a law that the rest of us should pay for it!

Bruce

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It's gonna take $195 of their $450 million to take care of the 93 new and 350 existing students stated in their press release.

So... it won't take them long to find out that
Sooner or later you run out of other people's money?

Private school, they can do what they want provided they have the funds.

While private schools see a larger number of alumni donating back to their alma mater's they are also notorious in their aggressive tactics to cajole and urge their alumni into donating back.

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Private school, they can do what they want provided they have the funds.

True.
But I wonder how many will want to give money for others to go for free, if they had to pay? ... and perhaps had to borrow and struggle with the debt?

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We have enough diversity in medicine. Some are surgeons, others radiologists, others . . .Well, you get my drift. All paid their dues. Little was given to us.

RMD

I'm currently in the care of 3 doctors. My Oncologist is originally from Croatia, my Vascular doctor is from India and my GP is from Lewiston Idaho. How's that for diversity.
All 3 are excellent physicians and I wouldn't replace them with anyone else in my area. I can't say for certain, but I'm pretty sure that none of them got free education.

Jim

Do they cover the tuition even if you do not graduate? I would think the dropout rate is pretty high.

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Do they cover the tuition even if you do not graduate? I would think the dropout rate is pretty high.

I'd think that the entrance exams and interviews would be rather tough to pass. They'd have to be for the program to work. At least I'd hope so.

Jim