I've had a number of people that I know who have had what I call the "not-flu" since late 2019.

Feel like crap respiratory illness that hangs around for weeks. All of the people I have known with it recovered or are recovering, one had it progress into pneumonia.

There is at least some indication that COVID 19 was popping around the west coast weeks ahead of any acknowledgment. I have also read some hearsay that Drs in the Southeast suspect it may have gotten kicked off far earlier than the accepted timeline.

Yes. Similar observations.

We have something in our area that has been unseen before. However, it is impacting cattle...mimics a severe case of pneumonia, literally in 24hrs the animal goes from normal to dead. We have had a few cattle on our family farm with pneumonia over the years, but not worth th the death rate that this has. Makes me wonder if this is related somehow.

There was a really bad “cold” virus going around here late last year. I caught it and it took nearly a month to get over it. I’ve kind of wondered whether that might have been COVID-19.

my boss and I had the same conversation yesterday

its possible there was a 'similar' vector making the rounds

probably not this exact / particular Covid 19 strain though

bugs be out there, yo

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Absolutely. The WHO was neck deep in Wuhan in November 2019. I don't think they were there for a drill.

Probably. Viruses tend to percolate and mutate before blazing out in a full scale infection or epidemic. Fortunately most never get to the stage were they do, or are caught and obtained before going pandemic.

...I just gotta get some asswipe, like normal.

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
Absolutely. The WHO was neck deep in Wuhan in November 2019. I don't think they were there for a drill.

Yeah... it's probably been here since at least early/mid January as Graniteguy already posted:

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
So I understand - the Chinese discovered this virus was "in the wild" in late November, 2019.

In Mid December 2019 - tens of thousand of Chinese college students in America returned home to China.

In January - millions of Chinese traveled to Las Vegas, a huge destination point during the Chinese New year.

In mid-January 2020 - those same tens of thousands of Chinese students returned to the US to resume college.

So this virus has been here in the US since mid-January?

I don't have a science degree or predictive model to illustrate the logic above - but shouldn't the spread here in the US be much further ahead than where we are being told it is after being here in the US for the past 8-weeks?

#1 Chinese New Year or, Lunar New Year, has people traveling to where ever their families are, Vegas isn't very high on the list of destinations. Vegas in-general is a top-3 destination for overseas travelers to the US, talk to most first timers visiting the US: NYC, Orlando and Vegas, along with Los Angeles and pick a major national park round-out, the top-5. Throw-in Miami for some.

#2 Can't get a predictive spread model unless you have an accurate count. Can't get an accurate count if people don't report in when they get a fever/cough. Most epidemiologist have said, end of Feb / beginning Mar will be when it blooms in the US; here we are. This is a moderate burn virus. Keep in mind health care in the US is not centralized, like much of gov, it's decentralized and focused at the state-level. Some states are better at managing emergencies than others...we'll see how this plays out.

Previous discussion in this thread, multiple pages including here:
https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...35/m/9320007564/p/89

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Originally posted by arfmel:
There was a really bad “cold” virus going around here late last year. I caught it and it took nearly a month to get over it. I’ve kind of wondered whether that might have been COVID-19.

I had a "really bad cold" in October that lasted almost a month. It sucked. Seemed like it would never go away. Got it on a Puget Sound cruise in Washington state.

Hmmm you might be on to something there. I had "it",have a chronic lung condition,am 69 yrs old. And I went thru three different courses of heavy prednisone use with a couple doses of antibiotics. I did have pneumonia. And it took almost three months of recurrence to total kick it to the curb.

But.. it was not passed to my kids ,grand kids or wife so probably not...Could have been a early test release that was not contagious enough.

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There is at least some indication that COVID 19 was popping around the west coast weeks ahead of any acknowledgment. I have also read some hearsay that Drs in the Southeast suspect it may have gotten kicked off far earlier than the accepted timeline.

I doubt it.

Does anyone think we need Yet Another Thread about this disease?

^^^ Nope. Worthy discussion, but should be consolidated which is why I linked to the above discussion in the 100+ pp coronavirus thread.

It was already a bad flu season before Covid-19. So it wouldn't be surprising that people were already getting sick.

The Chinese finally admitted the first confirmed case was actually way back on 11/17/19.

I "think" I had the Corona Virus. I'm a Yacht Captain. I deal with some customers from Central America and a few from Europe in close proximity, worse than cruise ship proximity for days on end sometimes in my business. I ran a yacht that came up from Guatamala with a mate (no people) 3 days to Hilton Head, SC.

The last day (JAN 19, 2020) and the day I drove to FL in the rental car, my eyes were very itchy, everything was sore as hell, and I was VERY tired all day and felt like I was catching something. The next day I felt horrible and everything was congested with glue in my nose but nothing running,just hard boogers the ones that pull nose hairs out, but could breathe normally through nose and mouth, that night all of a sudden I had an incredible fever that measured 103.5 and I was already taking Tylenol for the soreness. Sometime I had a dry cough with no phlegm at all, and still have it to a small degree, like from an itch in my throat. I took an ice cold bath which brought it down to 102 then 101.5, I went to sleep the next day went to the doctor who put me on a Z-pack and prednisone. I get the flu about every 2 years or so, but NEVER get a fever. It took me well over 2 weeks to get over it, the z pack did knock it down a bit, but to be normal energy wise it took me almost 3 weeks.

I'm kind of wondering that I did have it as my symptoms sound exactly like what I just saw on the video of the guy from the cruise ship that had it and it was NOTHING like any flu I've ever had before.

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Originally posted by sasquatch28:
I've had a number of people that I know who have had what I call the "not-flu" since late 2019.

Feel like crap respiratory illness that hangs around for weeks. All of the people I have known with it recovered or are recovering, one had it progress into pneumonia. ...

You are likely referring to this.

Human metapneumovirus (hMPV)

It is entirely possible that the virus has been in circulation for some time before the Chinese announced its presence in early December. It could have easily been around for a couple of weeks prior or more before it was finally released.

I still believe the Chinese only let the world know because they had no choice; as restrictive as their interwebz access is, the word was going to get out no matter how draconian the methods of suppressing information.

The wife & I had the mild version around Christmas with a lingering dry cough for over a month.
A brother-in-law with medical problems had the serious version with hospitalization at the end of January. All sorts of tests run that were negative but since this stuff wasn't on the radar at that time, no coronavirus test. His lungs did show the pattern on a chest xray.
Too many things they just don't know at this point.