Never ordered from them but I have ordered from Midway. They were very up to date on the requirements here in Connecticut (have to have a permit to purchase ammo) and I had to send a picture of my pistol permit and drivers license, name matches my credit card and it took a day or two and I got an email that stated they verified my info and was good to go....subsequent orders were haste free now that they had me in their system.

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Originally posted by maladat:
Lots of kids have debit and/or credit cards, either a secondary card on a parent's account, or on a joint account with a parent, or just one of their parents' cards.

Wow! I had no idea. Ok, this would explain at least some of the transactions I've seen in which a teen swiped a card at a store credit machine.

To an extent, I can see why a (responsible) parent may want to issue a credit or debit card to a child, and I'm assuming that the card comes with certain balance limitations...but I would think it might be both desirable and possible to tie some sort of age or purchasing type limitations to the card... especially given that many seem to agree that teen brains aren't fully developed or fully capable of consistent mature responsibility or decision making.

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Originally posted by motor59:
Or they go to any store and purchase a Visa gift card big enough to cover the purchase. Simple to do.

I don't know about the local stores at which you buy your ammo, but the stores in my area check i.d.

Pro-gun people complain that, rather than new laws, the ones we already have on the books should first be enforced. Now, when one of ours gets caught failing to do that, some insist they shouldn't be held accountable? Can't have it both ways, folks.

I like Lucky Gunner. One of my favorite on-line ammo places. And I in no way blame them for this kid's actions. For these reasons I hope they beat this.

But they did screw up. They shouldn't have sold that ammo to that kid.

I've never had to sign for ammo and they leave it on my front porch, but I haven't made any purchases from Lucky Gunner.

I think it is unfair to say that Lucky Gunner broke any laws unless the laws in Texas require an id for purchase or there are other circumstances that we are not aware of. Why would Lucky Gunner have reason to believe he was under 21?

I don't know if it carries any weight but this is part of their terms and conditions.


Terms and Conditions

By using this website or placing an order with LuckyGunner.com, you are agreeing to the below statements and terms of sale.

Customer Affidavit

I am not currently less than twenty-one (21) years old

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Originally posted by mark60:

Customer Affidavit

That's like the clerk at the beer store making you promise you're over 21. No ID required if you make that promise.

Ammo sales folks are not agents of the state. Why should they check ID if it's not required? I've ordered and received tens of thousands of rounds without ID or signing for it. Of course, I have problems with ID for damn near anything. In KY the ID you to buy a god dam cigarette lighter.

I have seen company ask for or require (online) a copy of my DL uploaded.
I REFUSE.
If they require a signature then so be it but I am not exposing my DL needlessly.

I don't recall ever being asked to provide proof of my age when buying pew-pew pills online.

I bought a utility knife at Home Depot last week and had to show ID. The cashier told me you have to be at least 21 to buy cutty things.

But you live in a foreign country, New York.

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Originally posted by Mike the Texan:

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Originally posted by mark60:

Customer Affidavit

That's like the clerk at the beer store making you promise you're over 21. No ID required if you make that promise.

And the problem with that is?

I think 18 USC 922 (b) 1) applies.

(b)It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver—

(1)any firearm or ammunition to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than eighteen years of age, and, if the firearm, or ammunition is other than a shotgun or rifle, or ammunition for a shotgun or rifle, to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than twenty-one years of age;

Complete statute:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922

18 U.S. Code § 922.Unlawful acts

(a)It shall be unlawful—

(1)for any person—

(A)except a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer, to engage in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in firearms, or in the course of such business to ship, transport, or receive any firearm in interstate or foreign commerce; or

(B)except a licensed importer or licensed manufacturer, to engage in the business of importing or manufacturing ammunition, or in the course of such business, to ship, transport, or receive any ammunition in interstate or foreign commerce;

(2)for any importer, manufacturer, dealer, or collector licensed under the provisions of this chapter to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce any firearm to any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, except that—

(A)this paragraph and subsection (b)(3) shall not be held to preclude a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector from returning a firearm or replacement firearm of the same kind and type to a person from whom it was received; and this paragraph shall not be held to preclude an individual from mailing a firearm owned in compliance with Federal, State, and local law to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector;

(B)this paragraph shall not be held to preclude a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer from depositing a firearm for conveyance in the mails to any officer, employee, agent, or watchman who, pursuant to the provisions of section 1715 of this title, is eligible to receive through the mails pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person, for use in connection with his official duty; and

(C)nothing in this paragraph shall be construed as applying in any manner in the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or any possession of the United States differently than it would apply if the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or the possession were in fact a State of the United States;

(3)for any person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to transport into or receive in the State where he resides (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, the State where it maintains a place of business) any firearm purchased or otherwise obtained by such person outside that State, except that this paragraph (A) shall not preclude any person who lawfully acquires a firearm by bequest or intestate succession in a State other than his State of residence from transporting the firearm into or receiving it in that State, if it is lawful for such person to purchase or possess such firearm in that State, (B) shall not apply to the transportation or receipt of a firearm obtained in conformity with subsection (b)(3) of this section, and (C) shall not apply to the transportation of any firearm acquired in any State prior to the effective date of this chapter;

(4)for any person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, to transport in interstate or foreign commerce any destructive device, machinegun (as defined in section 5845 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986), short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle, except as specifically authorized by the Attorney General consistent with public safety and necessity;

(5)for any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) to transfer, sell, trade, give, transport, or deliver any firearm to any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) who the transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, does not maintain a place of business in) the State in which the transferor resides; except that this paragraph shall not apply to (A) the transfer, transportation, or delivery of a firearm made to carry out a bequest of a firearm to, or an acquisition by intestate succession of a firearm by, a person who is permitted to acquire or possess a firearm under the laws of the State of his residence, and (B) the loan or rental of a firearm to any person for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes;

(6)for any person in connection with the acquisition or attempted acquisition of any firearm or ammunition from a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, knowingly to make any false or fictitious oral or written statement or to furnish or exhibit any false, fictitious, or misrepresented identification, intended or likely to deceive such importer, manufacturer, dealer, or collector with respect to any fact material to the lawfulness of the sale or other disposition of such firearm or ammunition under the provisions of this chapter;

(7)for any person to manufacture or import armor piercing ammunition, unless—

(A)the manufacture of such ammunition is for the use of the United States, any department or agency of the United States, any State, or any department, agency, or political subdivision of a State;

(B)the manufacture of such ammunition is for the purpose of exportation; or
ting or experimentation and has been authorized by the Attorney General;

(8)for any manufacturer or importer to sell or deliver armor piercing ammunition, unless such sale or delivery—

(A)is for the use of the United States, any department or agency of the United States, any State, or any department, agency, or political subdivision of a State;

(B)is for the purpose of exportation; or

(C)is for the purpose of testing or experimentation and has been authorized by the Attorney General; [1]

(9)for any person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, who does not reside in any State to receive any firearms unless such receipt is for lawful sporting purposes.

(b)It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver—

(1)any firearm or ammunition to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than eighteen years of age, and, if the firearm, or ammunition is other than a shotgun or rifle, or ammunition for a shotgun or rifle, to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than twenty-one years of age;...

More at link

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Originally posted by mark60:
I don't know if it carries any weight but this is part of their terms and conditions.


Terms and Conditions

By using this website or placing an order with LuckyGunner.com, you are agreeing to the below statements and terms of sale.

Customer Affidavit

I am not currently less than twenty-one (21) years old

If this is thrown out, then I guess software licenses are now invalid too.

My 17yo son has a bank account and a debit card because his paychecks are direct deposited. He buys things online without telling us which is no different than when I bought things as a teenager without telling my parents.

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Originally posted by Sigmund:

... [ snip ] ...

(b)It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver—

(1)any firearm or ammunition to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than eighteen years of age, and, if the firearm, or ammunition is other than a shotgun or rifle, or ammunition for a shotgun or rifle, to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than twenty-one years of age;...

More at link

"Knows or has reasonable cause to believe" does not imply (to me at least) a duty to insure that this is not the case. Sure, it would be prudent to make sure buyers are old enough, but I don't read the above as requiring that sellers verify age. YMMV.

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Originally posted by slosig:
"Knows or has reasonable cause to believe" does not imply (to me at least) a duty to insure that this is not the case. Sure, it would be prudent to make sure buyers are old enough, but I don't read the above as requiring that sellers verify age. YMMV.

Which may explain why they're not being brought up on federal charges.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

I don't know about the local stores at which you buy your ammo, but the stores in my area check i.d.

The last few times that I bought ammunition over the counter at a store, I was carded.

Yup, 83 year old me, asked for ID to prove that I was at least 21.

I'm on CDNNs mailing list and got an email saying they were getting out of the ammo business.

Went to their website and didn't see a thing about this, so I followed the link from the email and found it.

Kind of smells like they are trying to take advantage of what is going on with lucky gunner and creating some panic buying among their customers.

If so, shame on them.

I don't know, maybe they just haven't gotten around to updating the site yet.

http://enews.cdnnsports.com/q/...lp8Z-_nyf1QRKTBMI9fc