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Thermonuclear Vulcan
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DietRite Cola is awesome if you can find it. I switch between Fresca, DietRite and Canada Dry Diet Ginger Ale........Zebulon
 
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Not exactly what you want, but my evening sugar free, no caffeine drink is sugar-free Powerade, especially the grape flavored one.

They are extremely popular in the qt bottles. I think people figured out some of the flavors taste really good although sugar free.
 
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In response to a question above, here's something from the Harvard Health Blog:

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As with everything, there’s more to the artificial sweetener story than their effect on weight. To learn more about them, I spoke with Dr. David Ludwig, an obesity and weight-loss specialist at Harvard-affiliated Boston Children’s Hospital. He has a keen interest in products designed to help people lose weight at keep it off. And what he has learned about artificial sweeteners worries him.

All artificial sweeteners are not created equal

The FDA has approved five artificial sweeteners: saccharin, acesulfame, aspartame, neotame, and sucralose. It has also approved one natural low-calorie sweetener, stevia. How the human body and brain respond to these sweeteners is very complex.

One concern is that people who use artificial sweeteners may replace the lost calories through other sources, possibly offsetting weight loss or health benefits, says Dr. Ludwig. This can happen because we like to fool ourselves: “I’m drinking diet soda, so it’s okay to have cake.” The AHA and ADA also added this caveat to their recommendation.

It’s also possible that these products change the way we taste food. “Non-nutritive sweeteners are far more potent than table sugar and high-fructose corn syrup. A miniscule amount produces a sweet taste comparable to that of sugar, without comparable calories. Overstimulation of sugar receptors from frequent use of these hyper-intense sweeteners may limit tolerance for more complex tastes,” explains Dr. Ludwig. That means people who routinely use artificial sweeteners may start to find less intensely sweet foods, such as fruit, less appealing and unsweet foods, such as vegetables, downright unpalatable.

In other words, use of artificial sweeteners can make you shun healthy, filling, and highly nutritious foods while consuming more artificially flavored foods with less nutritional value.

Artificial sweeteners may play another trick, too. Research suggests that they may prevent us from associating sweetness with caloric intake. As a result, we may crave more sweets, tend to choose sweet food over nutritious food, and gain weight. Participants in the San Antonio Heart Study who drank more than 21 diet drinks per week were twice as likely to become overweight or obese as people who didn’t drink diet soda.

But you say you can give up diet drinks whenever you want? Don’t be so sure. Animal studies suggest that artificial sweeteners may be addictive. In studies of rats who were exposed to cocaine, then given a choice between intravenous cocaine or oral saccharine, most chose saccharin.

What’s your definition of safe?

Whether non-nutritive sweeteners are safe depends on your definition of safe. Studies leading to FDA approval have ruled out cancer risk, for the most part. However, those studies were done using far smaller amounts of diet soda than the 24 ounces a day consumed by many people who drink diet soda. We really don’t know what effect large amounts of these chemicals will have over many years.

And there are other health concerns beside cancer. In the Multiethnic Study of Atherosclerosis, daily consumption of diet drinks was associated with a 36% greater risk for metabolic syndrome and a 67% increased risk for type 2 diabetes. Aren’t these diseases that artificial sweeteners may help prevent in the first place?

Back to sugar?

Maybe sugar isn’t too bad after all. It’s all in how it’s packaged.

“Sugar-containing foods in their natural form, whole fruit, for example, tend to be highly nutritious—nutrient-dense, high in fiber, and low in glycemic load. On the other hand, refined, concentrated sugar consumed in large amounts rapidly increases blood glucose and insulin levels, increases triglycerides, inflammatory mediators and oxygen radicals, and with them, the risk for diabetes, cardiovascular disease and other chronic illnesses,” Dr. Ludwig explains.

I think I’ll have a glass of water and an apple.


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In the Multiethnic Study of Atherosclerosis, daily consumption of diet drinks was associated with a 36% greater risk for metabolic syndrome and a 67% increased risk for type 2 diabetes. Aren’t these diseases that artificial sweeteners may help prevent in the first place?


Is that correlation or causation? I’d imagine overweight and diabetic individuals are significantly over represented among diet drink consumers.
 
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I think the "no weight loss benefit" to diet sodas is misleading. The theory is that the diet soda does not satisfy the craving for sugar so that will be made up by the person consuming sugar from other sources to satisfy the sweet tooth. And I believe that is correct in many cases and certainly in the control group where such theories are developed. However, if a person drinks lets say 3 sodas a day, drinking 3 with zero cals vs 3 with 150+ cals is significant provided the person has the will power to resist other avenues to add the missing sugar which they should be doing if they are attempting to lose some weight. It would be the same if the person drank no soda but had to have a couple of Snikers bars to satisfy the sugar craving. Diet sodas or not the result is the same if there is no will power to resist added sugar.



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In the Multiethnic Study of Atherosclerosis, daily consumption of diet drinks was associated with a 36% greater risk for metabolic syndrome and a 67% increased risk for type 2 diabetes. Aren’t these diseases that artificial sweeteners may help prevent in the first place?


Is that correlation or causation? I’d imagine overweight and diabetic individuals are significantly over represented among diet drink consumers.

Good point, MNSIG.



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Caffeine-free Coke Zero.
This is my favorite, but a little hard to find. Only Food Lion carries it near me, and I have to go to a specific store. The other Food Lions don't have it..
 
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My vote is for Fresca as well. I don’t drink a lot of diet soda but find it a refreshing change. It’s really good with a shot or two of Absolut Citron mixed in too Wink


Even better with tequila.



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We drink Zevia brand in our house. It doest have any artificial sweeteners and tastes pretty darned good when compared to most diet sodas.
I believe Zevia brand uses Stevia, which is a natural sweetener, but does have some calories.

I think the choice of Diet Vernors is a good one. I grew up with the original Vernor's in Detroit (at one time it was only available in that area).

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Abstract of the study report:

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Abstract
OBJECTIVE

We determined associations between diet soda consumption and risk of incident metabolic syndrome, its components, and type 2 diabetes in the Multi-Ethnic Study of Atherosclerosis.

RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS

Diet soda consumption was assessed by food frequency questionnaire at baseline (2000–2002). Incident type 2 diabetes was identified at three follow-up examinations (2002–2003, 2004–2005, and 2005–2007) as fasting glucose >126 mg/dl, self-reported type 2 diabetes, or use of diabetes medication. Metabolic syndrome (and components) was defined by National Cholesterol Education Program Adult Treatment Panel III criteria. Hazard ratios (HRs) with 95% CI for type 2 diabetes, metabolic syndrome, and metabolic syndrome components were estimated, adjusting for demographic, lifestyle, and dietary confounders.

RESULTS

At least daily consumption of diet soda was associated with a 36% greater relative risk of incident metabolic syndrome and a 67% greater relative risk of incident type 2 diabetes compared with nonconsumption (HR 1.36 [95% CI 1.11–1.66] for metabolic syndrome and 1.67 [1.27–2.20] for type 2 diabetes). Of metabolic syndrome components, only high waist circumference (men ≥102 cm and women ≥88 cm) and high fasting glucose (≥100 mg/dl) were prospectively associated with diet soda consumption. Associations between diet soda consumption and type 2 diabetes were independent of baseline measures of adiposity or changes in these measures, whereas associations between diet soda and metabolic syndrome were not independent of these factors.

CONCLUSIONS

Although these observational data cannot establish causality, consumption of diet soda at least daily was associated with significantly greater risks of select incident metabolic syndrome components and type 2 diabetes.


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Originally posted by SW_Sig: Even more troubling, these sugar stand-ins have been shown to have the same effect on your body as sugar. "Artificial sweeteners trigger insulin, which sends your body into fat storage mode and leads to weight gain," Alpert says.

I'd really like someone to prove that claim. It's often repeated, but defies science. The aspartame molecule bears no structural resemblance to glucose. It's like saying you walked past a 57 Chevy and your 2019 Ford key fob unlocked the door.

Yeah, I call bullshit on this too. They are not even remotely the same chemicals.


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Originally posted by SW_Sig: Even more troubling, these sugar stand-ins have been shown to have the same effect on your body as sugar. "Artificial sweeteners trigger insulin, which sends your body into fat storage mode and leads to weight gain," Alpert says.

I'd really like someone to prove that claim. It's often repeated, but defies science. The aspartame molecule bears no structural resemblance to glucose. It's like saying you walked past a 57 Chevy and your 2019 Ford key fob unlocked the door.

Yeah, I call bullshit on this too. They are not even remotely the same chemicals.
I thought Aspartame was simply a physical mixture of 2 amino acids--it wouldn't have a specific molecule. Am I wrong?

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Originally posted by flashguy:I thought Aspartame was simply a physical mixture of 2 amino acids--it wouldn't have a specific molecule. Am I wrong?

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You are. The amino acids and methanol are bonded into a single molecule, not physically mixed.



Quotes from the study that sjtill referenced:

If we excluded from our analyses participants with any metabolic syndrome component at baseline (leaving a much smaller sample of 1,078 participants and 46 incident cases of metabolic syndrome), the HR comparing extreme diet soda consumption categories was greater (1.54 [95% CI 0.65–3.65], model 2) but not statistically significant.

Why would you not assume that people who are unhealthy to start with would remain that way?


Analogously, individuals choosing to consume diet soda probably follow other healthy behaviors that influence metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes risk. These dietary and lifestyle factors are all potential confounders that may be difficult to accurately characterize in epidemiological studies such as ours. However, failure to adjust fully for these protective factors would mask a positive association between diet soda and metabolic dysfunction (i.e., all are positive confounders).

Sounds like they "adjusted" the sample so that people who drank diet soda, but were otherwise pretty healthy were deselected. They cherry picked to get the desired result.


They acknowledge that the study that would need to be done hasn't (and probably never will be) performed. You would need matched samples of individuals fed a controlled diet identical in every respect except for the introduction of diet drinks.

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I think the choice of Diet Vernors is a good one. I grew up with the original Vernor's in Detroit (at one time it was only available in that area).

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I grew up near KC, MO. At drugstore soda fountains there most folk’s soda choice was Coke or Pepsi, often with cherry, lemon, vanilla, or chocolate syrup flavoring.

After my Junior year of college I interned at Detroit Edison in Detroit. At soda fountains there, I was surprised to see most folks drinking Vernor’s Ginger Ale. And many put cream in it. I was especially surprised by that, but I tried it and found it quite tasty.

But a puzzle: Several years before, I put some cream into a glass of Coke. It curdled. More CO2 in Coke? Another possibility: The cream I put into Vernor’s was from a counter coffee creamer capsule (maybe a “whitener”). The cream I put into the Coke was from our Jersey cow.



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I'd skip the cola altogether and switch to carbonated water. Bubly is pretty good.



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Since I started this thread, long ago, I’ve discovered a couple of new zero-calorie sodas, both very tasty: A&W Root Beer, and A&W Cream Soda. I hadn’t seen either of them in zero-calorie form until recently.

IMO, A&W Is to root beer as Dot’s is to pretzels – best of class! Same for the cream soda.

And A&W Root Beer stirs up happy memories for me: Visits to the A&W Root Beer stand on hot summer evenings. Cute girls on roller skates hanging a tray with frosty mugs, burgers, and fries on my car window. So good!



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Diet Dr. Pepper is my go-to.


Yes. Diet Dr. Pepper tastes the closest to the original than any diet drinks I’ve had.


Dr. Pepper zero sugar taste exactly like the original to me.
 
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Sugar substitute sweeteners are certainly no free lunch. I refuse them all, artificial and natural. It's cane sugar or nothing.

That said I rarely have any carbonated beverage with cane sugar. Ginger ale is on hand for rare stomach issues and Fever Tree tonics for the occasional summer gin and vodka drinks.

The go-to here is Polar seltzer / sparkling water. No calorie, no sweeteners, no additives flavors are much better than LaCroix and others on the market.



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A couple years ago I bought a Soda Stream with 3 bottles. It really satisfys my taste when I just drop some lemon in the bottle after carbonating.
I also have a bunch of the syrups if I want a pop taste.
I also like being able to make Tonic water when I need it.

Since Coke does NOT like white people I avoid all there brands.
 
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I like my Waterloo or Spindrift with a few drops of Stevia (I like Zevia cola but it's overpriced and just plain addictive).But man, the sparkling water wars are intensified and inflation is rearing its ugly head.
 
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