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Nullus Anxietas |
Perhaps law enforcement should just plain stop arresting or detaining (e.g.: traffic stops) "people of color" altogether? Just let them have their way. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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I worked the street for a number of years, 7 of them on midnights. I rarely knew the race of the people in the vehicle I stopped until I got up to the car or the occupants got out. CMSGT USAF (Retired) Chief of Police (Retired) | |||
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Muzzle flash aficionado |
I'm with jhe888--this will not stand constitutional muster. flashguy Texan by choice, not accident of birth | |||
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delicately calloused |
Leftist never have been on board with the progress of the civil rights era. They are determined to segregate, prejudice, divide and prevent meritorious advancement. They are bigots with ever evolving targets. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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Hayes, that's interesting. Perhaps department or patrol car limitations in your situation. In my situation, which wasn't unique in our department, we pretty much knew whether we were stopping white guys or people of color once we fell in behind them. Our patrol cars had these two mickey mouse light cans on top like the ones you'd see on a popular tv series in the late 60's early 70's. Anywhoo, after we baked the back of your neck in sealed beam Red Lights from these mickey mouse cans to pull you over, the passenger officer would illuminate you with a hand held spot light that could also send Morse code to the moon it was so bright. We even had to use this old fashion Motorola radio to tell dispatch what (lic #) we were out with and a general description of who was in the suspect vehicle (real general, like two male bla bla ...). No computers in the car at that time and no radio when you got out of the car. In any case, it would have been unusual for us not to have a good idea on a possible race of the occupants while pulling the car over for a chat. Having said that, today there is a lot more window tinting than there was then so there is that. | |||
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I can hear it now - "You're picking on me, 'cause I'm black". ********* "Some people are alive today because it's against the law to kill them". | |||
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Mistake Not... |
Maybe if this was under the 4th Amendment, but this was under Art. 1 Sec. 7 of the state constitution, which is more way protective/restrictive than the 4th Amendment of the US Constitution. So this decision not going to be appealed further, and won't change until and unless there is an outcome that forces a change of mind/law. ___________________________________________ Life Member NRA & Washington Arms Collectors Mistake not my current state of joshing gentle peevishness for the awesome and terrible majesty of the towering seas of ire that are themselves the milquetoast shallows fringing my vast oceans of wrath. Velocitas Incursio Vis - Gandhi | |||
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Muzzle flash aficionado |
Isn't the 4th Amendment part of the US Constitution? I was under the impression that the Constitution was the supreme law of the land and overrode any laws in the states or local areas that violated it. flashguy Texan by choice, not accident of birth | |||
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Thank you Very little |
Well, that's the way the founding fathers designed it, doesn't mean that leftist politicians and judiciary at the state level will follow it.... | |||
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This is the Washington Supreme Court. If they decide a case on state constitutional grounds, doctrine of independent constitutional analysis says that they are the final arbiter. I have not read the decision itself, but any competent attorney is going to claim violations of both the federal and state constitution. | |||
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What do you do with biracial suspects? Flip a coin? _________________________ "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." Mark Twain | |||
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Mistake Not... |
Washington's Constitution is different than the US Constitution. The US Constitution provides the "floor" but the WA Constitution is "more protective". The specific part: Article 1 Section 7 states: "No person shall be disturbed in his private affairs, or his home invaded, without authority of law." For 40 years or more the State Sup.Ct. has held this is more protective than the the 4th Amendment, meaning that what cops do in, say North Dakota, cops in WA can't or else face getting their case tossed. This is a new and different spin on something that already existed and will be . . . interesting to see how it plays out. ___________________________________________ Life Member NRA & Washington Arms Collectors Mistake not my current state of joshing gentle peevishness for the awesome and terrible majesty of the towering seas of ire that are themselves the milquetoast shallows fringing my vast oceans of wrath. Velocitas Incursio Vis - Gandhi | |||
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Muzzle flash aficionado |
The 4th Amendment says that no action or warrants can occur without probable cause, "supported by Oath or affirmation". The state constitution only says "without authority of law", which is a much less restrictive provision. A person filing a Red Flag accusation has probably not provided any "probable cause" and their Oath would not be enough to obtain a warrant. This law is unconstituinal. flashguy Texan by choice, not accident of birth | |||
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The phrase "without authority of law" means whatever the Washington Supreme Court interprets it to me, so long as it is not less than the requirement under the US Constitution. This is precisely why state supreme courts have the final say on state constitutional matters. | |||
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Too old to run, too mean to quit! |
Remember that this Washington state, and west of the mountains. Totally overwhelmed by the libtard idiots who got sick and tired of what they had created in kalifornistan, moved north and promptly recreated what they had run from in Kali. Some time ago there was a movement east of the mountain range in Washington and Oregon, to secede from those states and merge with Idaho. Didn't happen, of course. I still have family living in Idaho and they are reporting how bad it has gotten with the refugees from kalifornistan taking over everything. Elk There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour) "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. " -Thomas Jefferson "America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville FBHO!!! The Idaho Elk Hunter | |||
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Wait, what? |
It’s funny. Over a 30 career in law enforcement and a VAST majority of violators I dealt with were overwhelmingly white folk. I guess that means… I’m racist against white people? Certainly I was discriminatory at minimum. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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Coin Sniper |
Racism is what we tell you it is.... Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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delicately calloused |
They are like locusts. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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hello darkness my old friend |
Me too. In 26 years as a LEO in Utah I arrested 9 blacks. Yes My PD kept track of our minority interactions. I have no idea how many white folks I arrested but considering I averaged 2-3 arrests a night in was easily in the thousands, probably nearly 10000. Clearly I was picking on the white folk. For shame.... | |||
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The leftists and socialists would say you only encountered 9 blacks in 26 years. | |||
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