Tacfoley, and anyone who lives in the UK or Australia, I would enjoy hearing your take on this video. Of course, all comments are welcome.
This 17 minutes, but I believe it is worth your time.
March 01, 2020, 10:11 AM
FiveFiveSixFan
I've long enjoyed Katie Hopkins' commentary on current events. I find myself in agreement with her most of the time.
The way Rowan essentially agreed with her premise that free speech was dead in Australia in one sentence and then moved immediately on to the topic of South Africa was disappointing. You would think that some degree of follow up would be warranted on such an important topic.
March 01, 2020, 10:27 AM
ensigmatic
I think I love this woman
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher
March 01, 2020, 11:20 AM
smschulz
quote:
Originally posted by ensigmatic: I think I love this woman
Me too!
As for these places besides no free speech (1st A here) jut add that to the list with no guns (2A here). Makes you appreciate where we live.
March 01, 2020, 11:22 AM
WCCPHD
Coming to a United States near you soon.
March 01, 2020, 12:02 PM
CQB60
Love Katie
______________________________________________ Life is short. It’s shorter with the wrong gun…
March 01, 2020, 12:52 PM
BamaJeepster
A lot of this nonsense starts over there and then works it's way into Berkeley and other leftist enclaves in the US. The big new 'debate' is the insane argument that if you happen to prefer one set of genitals over another in sex - that means that you are automatically transphobic. Yes, if you have any kind of sexual preference, you are the 'problem' and the literally mentally damaged cross dressers are the 'normal' ones. They are teaching that in some universities now.
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams
March 01, 2020, 02:33 PM
TigerDore
quote:
Originally posted by BamaJeepster: A lot of this nonsense starts over there and then works it's way into Berkeley and other leftist enclaves in the US...
Yes, and this is awful. Everything the Left is doing is deigned to sink the West into chaos, sowing irrational, unhinged ideas into the general discourse and forcing the world to treat them as rational, resorting to name calling if there is any resistance. I believe it started with Critical Theory and has grown from there.
This must be in the UK where they arrest you for defending yourself from someone trying to kill you.
March 01, 2020, 05:07 PM
cjevans
Australia ...
Most are shocked to learn that we do not have the explicit legal freedom of speech.
Not a defense stance in court.
Australia does not have a Bill of Rights, First Amendment.
Not 100%, but I think Aus is the only western democracy not have such a right.
The framers of the Aus Constitution, placed their faith in the democratic process for the protection of individual rights.
In fact, the Aus Constitituon does not expressly guarantee many rights or freedoms. Freedom of speech is not one of those.
There is however, an implied right to political speech. The High Court of Australia figured that out for us Aussies, stating that the right is implied, the people must be heard, and to develop informed opinions.
But that is sure not in any way, the right to free speech. No protection should your conversation be shutdown.
There are some laws on the books, more to restrict or burden freedom of political speech.
Essentially, no enforceable obligation to uphold free speech either.
If I don't like your racist chant, I have the right to kick your arse out of my house.
As always, this is one side of the story, there's more to this, this being just my viewpoint and opinion. Which here in Aus, you can ignore or do something about it.
--chris
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." ~ Benjamin Franklin.
"If anyone in this country doesn't minimise their tax, they want their head read, because as a government, you are not spending it that well, that we should be donating extra...: Kerry Packer
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March 02, 2020, 02:39 PM
TigerDore
quote:
Originally posted by cjevans: Australia ...
Most are shocked to learn that we do not have the explicit legal freedom of speech...
Thanks, Chris. I appreciate your insight.
With the erosion of rights you are experiencing, have you thought about leaving Australia?
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March 02, 2020, 04:34 PM
cjevans
Short answer, yes, to returning. Can't be real soon, for reasons of my own.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." ~ Benjamin Franklin.
"If anyone in this country doesn't minimise their tax, they want their head read, because as a government, you are not spending it that well, that we should be donating extra...: Kerry Packer
SIGForum: the island of reality in an ocean of diarrhoea.
March 02, 2020, 08:57 PM
Expat
Yeah. You can add Canada to that title as well. Just ask Mark Steyn.
Thanks for posting this. She is outstanding!
March 02, 2020, 10:57 PM
K0ZZZ
My boss is out for the week, he's lived in Australia the last 10 years or so.
Everything is on camera there when you drive. You go 1 kph over the speed limit and your fine shows up in the mail. It's interesting though: DUI - 250 dollar fine and 3 month loss of license. Your registration being 1 day late: 600 dollar fine!
Most are shocked to learn that we do not have the explicit legal freedom of speech.
I am not. I'm not certain, but I believe the U.S. is the only nation in the world with a right to free speech explicitly codified in its Constitution.
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher
March 03, 2020, 12:10 AM
cjevans
Pretty certain that Afghanistan has an article defining freedom of expression is inviolable.
Are there others?
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." ~ Benjamin Franklin.
"If anyone in this country doesn't minimise their tax, they want their head read, because as a government, you are not spending it that well, that we should be donating extra...: Kerry Packer
SIGForum: the island of reality in an ocean of diarrhoea.
March 03, 2020, 03:24 AM
tacfoley
Well, OK, I'm watching it right now. It's absolute tosh, Sir, nothing that like is really happening here in UK. Hey, hold on a sec, there's somebody at the do
March 03, 2020, 03:46 PM
xl_target
The Indian Constitution guarantees six "rights", one of which is the "Freedon of Speech and expression". However....
quote:
the Constitution has authorized the State to impose certain reasonable restrictions on each of them: 1. Restrictions may be put on the Right to Freedom of speech and expression in the interests of the sovereignty, integrity and security of India, friendly relations with foreign States, public order, decency or morality, or in relation to contempt of court, defamation or incitement to an offence
so... your freedom of speech is whatever the government decides it is.