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posted June 22, 2025 10:39 AMHide Post
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Originally posted by 12131:
I'm not sure where in this definition it says a silencer is defined as a firearm. Confused


Title 18 USC 921(a)(3) defines a firearm - “The term “firearm” means (A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon; (C) any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; or (D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm.”

So while the definition of a “firearm muffler” or “firearm silencer” might not specifically define these items as firearms, the definition of “firearm” itself, earlier in the code defines that a firearm muffler or firearm silencer is a firearm. The tricky thing is that the legal definition of some terms under the law doesn’t necessarily equate to the common sense or even technical definition of a term. For example, a Tomahawk cruise missile, a pipe bomb or even a Molotov cocktail would not be what just about anyone would consider to be a firearm in the normal use of that term, each of those items are, in fact, “firearms” as defined in US Code (the NFA in the case of those items). It’s important to remember that legal definitions are often at odds with common definitions.




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posted June 27, 2025 11:45 AMHide Post
This unelected “parliamentarian” with a Progressive and anti-MAGA agenda must be dealt with!

“U.S. Senate Forced to Remove Pro-Gun Language from Reconciliation Bill” - June 27, 2025

https://www.nraila.org/article...-reconciliation-bill

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Today, the U.S. Senate was forced to remove the pro-gun language that had been previously included in the Reconciliation Bill currently making its way through the chamber. We explained in a previous article that this language would, among other things, remove suppressors, short-barreled rifles (SBR), short-barreled shotguns (SBS), and “any other weapons” (AOW) from the National Firearms Act (NFA).

The language was deemed to violate the “Byrd Rule” by the Harry Reid appointed Senate Parliamentarian. The “Byrd Rule” is a process that is used when considering reconciliation measures by the U.S. Senate. This process allows measures that would typically require a 60-vote threshold in the U.S. Senate to only require a simple majority. The “Byrd Rule” determination is made by the Senate Parliamentarian based upon a number of factors including whether the provision would increase or decrease revenues, and whether the change in revenue would be “merely incidental” to the other alterations that the provision would make to public law.

Once a provision is deemed to be violative of the “Byrd Rule,” that same language cannot be reintroduced to the bill. And while we strongly disagree with the ruling of the Senate Parliamentarian, we are still seeking ways to include provisions that would benefit NRA members and law-abiding gun owners. To further that goal, we are currently working with U.S. Senators to explore all available options, including introducing an amendment which would reduce the tax on suppressors, SBR’s, SBS’s, and AOW’s to $0. The Majority Leader also has the option to remove the parliamentarian, which was last done in 2001.

While this amendment is far from what is needed, it is still a step in the right direction to eliminate the unconstitutional tax imposed on these NFA items. Your NRA-ILA will continue to update you on the Reconciliation Bill as it moves its way through Congress.

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Ol' Jack always says...
what the hell.
posted June 27, 2025 11:54 AMHide Post
So this unelected person can change bills to whatever they want?
 
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posted June 27, 2025 12:04 PMHide Post
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Senate Parliamentarian

Serves at the pleasure of the Senate Majority Leader.

So why can"t Thune just dump her? Further, why hasn't he already?
 
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posted June 27, 2025 12:14 PMHide Post
Because he’s McConnell 2.0.


Q






 
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posted June 27, 2025 12:19 PMHide Post
Because the ‘Senate GOP’ are pathetic and useless, that’s why.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Pol...s/story?id=123232793

“Senate GOP 'frustrated' by parliamentarian's Medicaid ruling in Trump's bill -- but won't overrule her - Thune has said he was opposed to going against the Senate's rule enforcer.”

Excerpt -

Many Republican senators dismissed the idea of overruling the Senate parliamentarian after she rejected key Medicaid provisions in Trump's tax and immigration bill Thursday, which dealt a blow to Republicans' plan to slash costs in the budget package.

This sentiment comes as Senate Majority Leader John Thune has said for months that he was opposed to going against the Senate's rule enforcer.

Meanwhile, Speaker Mike Johnson said the House is "on a wait and see basis" as the Senate continues to make changes to the bill.

The speaker said the Senate Medicaid ruling “doesn’t make it easier” for the bill to pass by the July 4 deadline.

“But you know me, hope springs eternal. And we are going to work around the clock to try and meet that deadline.”

The R party should be the “Q” party, for Quisling.


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What is the
soup du jour?

posted June 27, 2025 12:54 PMHide Post
We fell for it again, lol. No soup for you!
 
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delicately calloused
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posted June 27, 2025 02:06 PMHide Post
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Originally posted by 12131:
Because he’s McConnell 2.0.


Democrats can’t be trusted with power and the Republicans can’t govern.



You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier
 
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posted June 27, 2025 04:08 PMHide Post
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Originally posted by darthfuster:
quote:
Originally posted by 12131:
Because he’s McConnell 2.0.


Democrats can’t be trusted with power and the Republicans can’t govern.


Amen
 
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posted June 27, 2025 07:08 PMHide Post
Please call the Senate switchboard at (202) 224-3121, and tell them to override the parliamentarian and get the SHORT Act and HPA language reinstated to the big beautiful bill. This is absolutely our best chance to see some meaningful reform of the NFA. I’ve called multiple times today and I’m asking everyone else in my circle to do the same. My senators are lost causes so I’ve left messages for Senator Thune, and others that were somewhat supportive of these provisions. I’ve had positive dealings with Senator Grassley before as well so I’ve left messages for him as well. We need to keep up the pressure if we want any chance at taking a step towards actually restoring our gun rights instead of just trying to prevent new infringements.




“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”
 
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