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If SBRs and Silencers are removed from the NFA…
June 21, 2025, 11:53 AM
4MUL8RIf SBRs and Silencers are removed from the NFA…
A fellow I know was contracted to make suppressor parts. Local machine shop. He was quick to share that if a person has in his possession all the parts to assemble a suppressor, the person could be in violation of the ordinance. It is called constructive intent. So if the suppressor is removed from the nfa, I hope this interpretation of constructive intent also is removed.
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June 21, 2025, 01:07 PM
400mIf SBRs and Silencers are removed from the NFA…
I’ll still be living in Pritzkerland. So until Robert’s votes for a 2A certiorari petition, I’m stuck.
June 21, 2025, 02:46 PM
PakRatJRI've seen mention of cans possibly being removed but didn't know SBRs were a possibility.
If SBRs do happen, I did a SBR Sterling a few years ago and would really like to do another one but haven't because of the NFA stuff. I would most definately be diong another one, and possibly a Sten as well
June 21, 2025, 02:53 PM
Expert308For me it would depend on what happens to prices. There's nothing I NEED now. I wouldn't mind picking up another 5.56 suppressor and maybe a SBR or SBS, but at this point I don't want them bad enough to deal with the NFA stuff.
June 21, 2025, 03:26 PM
Lefty SigIf "silencers" are not firearms then the 2nd amendment does not apply and they can be regulated however the government decides.
It they ARE firearms then the 2nd applies and it's up to SCOTUS to determine "reasonable restrictions" under Heller.
Most sane people would say they are not "firearms" any more than a flash suppressor or a muzzle brake. But from a legal point of view I am OK with them being Title 1 firearms subject to standard GCA provisions.
June 21, 2025, 04:29 PM
bertoI'll be spending money on more lawsuits in CA.
June 21, 2025, 05:43 PM
jljonesquote:
Originally posted by 4MUL8R:
A fellow I know was contracted to make suppressor parts. Local machine shop. He was quick to share that if a person has in his possession all the parts to assemble a suppressor, the person could be in violation of the ordinance. It is called constructive intent. So if the suppressor is removed from the nfa, I hope this interpretation of constructive intent also is removed.
I read stuff like this pretty often. However, as long as you don’t possess them along with a pallet of cocaine while trafficking in illegals, you have little to worry about.
Even during Biden at the worst, AUSA’s would not take NFA cases without a nexus to violence.
June 21, 2025, 05:47 PM
smschulzIf we are blessed by God and they are removed then the market will be in turmoil for at least three years.
But I welcome that turmoil.
Eventually the market will figure it out as well as 3-D Printing playing a role perhaps.
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June 21, 2025, 06:11 PM
Mars_AttacksTHIS. THere is no other reason.
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June 21, 2025, 07:54 PM
FredwardPrices are likely to in crease quickly as demand increases, prices will rise. As production catches up, prices will drop. I anticipate a drop in a fairly short period of time because I believe manufacturers have been increasing production for over a year, since ATF took the background checks back. But I could be wrong. Personally, I'm going to get a 10.5 inch AR, threaded barrel, full stock, with a good suppressor. Perhaps a second upper in 300 BO.
June 21, 2025, 08:27 PM
vthokyI want one of those integrally-suppressed Ruger 10/22 models!
God bless America. June 21, 2025, 09:47 PM
PluguglyI'll put a can on my AK-V first. I'll probably keep the brace, as it being a pistol allows me to keep it loaded right next to me in my truck.
Rifles have to be locked up separate from the ammo.
Assuming I understand it correctly.
June 21, 2025, 10:38 PM
darthfusterI’m making my list and checking it twice
You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier June 21, 2025, 10:52 PM
jsbcodyMy immediate wish list:
1. .300 Blackout AR Lower to go with one of my pistol uppers.
2. .300 Blackout Suppressor
3. 9mm Suppressor
4. MP5 Clone
5. Rossi Break Action Single Shot .300 Blackout with folding stock.
June 21, 2025, 11:00 PM
arcwelderThis can.
Arc.
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June 21, 2025, 11:07 PM
MikeinNCARC, is that a 223?
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arcwelderIt's an SSG 69 .308 with a Bixler can. I can't own the can in this state.. so it's in limbo at my local Fun Store.
Arc.
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June 22, 2025, 12:10 AM
StorminNorminAs far as I am aware this legislation is in very early stages. I sure hope it happens! If it does, then I will have a can on most all firearms.
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HK AgI would get a WW2 tribute M1A1 from Auto Ordnance.
Then a H&R XM177E2, H&R “Heat” clone and……
June 22, 2025, 10:03 AM
AUTiger89Yes, of course. I was talking about the progression over time. Hence, "for a period" and "at some point". Sorry I didn't articulate it correctly.
Though the GCA68 defines them as firearms, in actuality, they are not firearms. There are some great legal folks on our side pushing for our freedoms, and for now, we have momentum.
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Originally posted by AUTiger89:
For a period, suppressors will probably require a 4473 to buy from a dealer or transferee. But they aren't firearms, so I suspect the courts will not consider them as such, depending on the make-up of the court.
The best part, to me, will be the ability to sell suppressors within state lines without having to fill out a 4473. But this will depend on state laws. At some point, we ought to be able to sell them across state lines and just ship them, like an optic.
Suppressors will still be regulated as Title 1 firearms, like rifles, shotguns, pistols, etc. The Gun Control Act still defines a “firearm muffler or firearm silencer” as a firearm. The proposed legislation aims to remove silencers, short barreled rifles and shotguns from the purview of the National Firearms Act (Title 26 USC). So they will no longer be considered Title 2 firearms like machine guns or destructive devices but suppressors will still be regulated as firearms. So you’ll still need to fill out a 4473 to buy one, just like a rifle, pistol, or shotgun, you just won’t need to register it in the National Firearms Registry and Transfer Record or pay a special tax. This of course also means that you can’t sell them across state lines to a non FFL, and other restrictions such as with normal firearms, but this is still a huge step in the right direction. Just Don’t mistake the legislation for more than it is.
Phone's ringing, Dude.