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Atheist groups sue Secretary Carson & HUD over FOIA fees - White House Bible study.
January 26, 2018, 12:32 PM
lkdr1989Atheist groups sue Secretary Carson & HUD over FOIA fees - White House Bible study.
Good grief atheists - Freedom From Religion Foundation, are you trying to drive public opinion of atheism more negative, because you're doing a great job of it!
quote:
Ben Carson Attacked For WH Bible Study — Defiantly Declares ‘I Will Not Stop Being A Christian’
Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson relayed a defiant message to the atheist groups attacking him for attending a Bible study at the White House.
“I will not stop being a Christian while in service to this country.”
The conflict began after reports surfaced, detailing the weekly meeting of President Donald Trump’s Cabinet Secretaries for Bible study.
Carson regularly attends this meeting along with Attorney General Jeff Sessions, CIA Director Mike Pompeo, Education Secretary Betsy DeVos and Energy Secretary Rick Perry, according to CBN News.
The atheist group, Freedom From Religion Foundation, and Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a left wing advocacy group founded by David Brock, are now suing HUD and Carson for not reimbursing them for the Freedom Of Information Act requests through which information on the Bible studies were discovered.
The FOIA requests sought to see if government resources had been spent to fund the Bible study and to see if Trump administration staff are being pressured into attendance. For every FOIA there is a standard fee if the information requested is not in the public interest or related to the agencies operations. HUD charged FFRF and CREW a fee for the information they requested and the groups sued in return.
The lawsuit claimed that HUD charged for the FIOA because the “documents is likely to cast the agency or HUD Secretary Ben Carson in a negative light.”
Ben Carson weighed in himself on the lawsuit in a Wednesday Facebook post, denying any wrongdoing and declaring defiantly:
I refuse to be intimidated by anti-religious groups into relinquishing my spirituality or religious beliefs. One of the principles of our nation‘s founding is freedom of religion. I will not stop being a Christian while in service to this country, in fact, it is my faith that helps me serve the nation even better.
Carson’s post was ‘liked’ over 31 thousand of times and shared over eight thousand at the time of this post.
Here is the full text of Carson’s response:
The Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) and Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) are apparently filing a lawsuit against HUD and me, alleging that they are being treated unfairly because they are required to pay a standard fee when requesting information through the Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) regarding my participation in the weekly Bible study for cabinet members. They are fearful that a hot beverage or a bagel may be consumed at the expense of taxpayers or that staff may be coerced to participate in religious activities against their will.
First of all, taxpayer funds are not used to support the ministry, and secondly, no staff are involved in the Bible study. More importantly, I refuse to be intimidated by anti-religious groups into relinquishing my spirituality or religious beliefs. One of the principles of our nation‘s founding is freedom of religion. I will not stop being a Christian while in service to this country, in fact, it is my faith that helps me serve the nation even better. The relentless attacks on the spirituality of our nation must be resisted. We are not like everyone else, which is precisely the reason that we rose so rapidly from obscurity to become the most powerful and free nation in history.
We sometimes smugly say that we won the cold war with the Soviet Union, but it was Joseph Stalin, the Russian tyrant who said the United States could be destroyed from within by eroding three things: our patriotism, our morality, and our spirituality. These things are currently under severe attack. We the people must decide who we are and what we stand for. If we don’t, the ending of the Cold War might change dramatically.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/01...e-house-bible-study/
...let him who has no sword sell his robe and buy one. Luke 22:35-36 NAV
"Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves." Matthew 10:16 NASV January 26, 2018, 12:35 PM
bigdealThis is without any doubt, Stupid On Steroids.
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January 26, 2018, 01:40 PM
btanchorsI thought it is freedom of religion, not freedom from religion!
January 26, 2018, 01:56 PM
tatortoddThese groups have years and years of history of suing the government (local, state, and fed) and the government paying them to do so. Much more prominent during Clinton and 0bama years, but it even happened during Bush era too.
Example, when I lived in SoCal, the ACLU sued Los Angeles county over the cross in the county's seal. The cross symbolized California missions which are a significant part of California's founding history. Of course they relented and took off the cross, and used the opportunity to remove the oil derrick as well despite it being another significant part of their history. They also paid the ACLU's legal fees.
Much like a mouse in a psych experiment, once they're trained that pushing the lever gets cheese they'll still push the lever if they get an electric shock. With the Trump administration in place, they're surprised they get shocked, but they'll continue to push the lever.
Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity
DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. January 26, 2018, 01:56 PM
Rey HRHIt sounds like desperation trying to make hay out of the Trump administration any way they can.
"It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946.
January 26, 2018, 02:10 PM
egregore[Captain Obvious] Nobody is
forced to attend these meetings, right? So what's their bitch?
January 26, 2018, 02:22 PM
tatortoddquote:
Originally posted by egregore:
[Captain Obvious] Nobody is forced to attend these meetings, right? So what's their bitch?
That does not matter for these groups.
Look at the case of prison fellowship ministries (PFM). Their ministry to prisoners was life changing and prisoners who participated in PFM were more than 3x less likely to return to prison than a prisoner who did not. No one forced these prisoners to participate, it was a benefit to society, was paid for by PFM, etc. It did not stop these groups from filing a lawsuit and one of their arguments was it was so successful that prisoners couldn't resist participating. SMH.
Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity
DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. January 26, 2018, 02:47 PM
Balzé HalzéAngry, pathetic losers. I mean, my God get a life, will ya'?
~Alan
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January 26, 2018, 04:32 PM
Stray RoundToo bad our crooked senators and reps are not required to read some Bible. Some might get right or at least realize they don't have to be crooks all the time.
Wonder if HUD would be investigated if the employees were reading the koran? Yeah, right.
January 26, 2018, 11:08 PM
egregorequote:
That does not matter for these groups.
Yeah, I know. I should have specified my question was rhetorical.
January 27, 2018, 12:01 AM
mr kablammoquote:
Originally posted by tatortodd:
quote:
Originally posted by egregore:
[Captain Obvious] Nobody is forced to attend these meetings, right? So what's their bitch?
That does not matter for these groups.
Look at the case of prison fellowship ministries (PFM). Their ministry to prisoners was life changing and prisoners who participated in PFM were more than 3x less likely to return to prison than a prisoner who did not. No one forced these prisoners to participate, it was a benefit to society, was paid for by PFM, etc. It did not stop these groups from filing a lawsuit and one of their arguments was it was so successful that prisoners couldn't resist participating. SMH.
After reading this I set up a recurring donation for Chuck Coulson's non-profit .org.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye". The Little Prince, Antoine de Saint-Exupery, pilot and author, lost on mission, July 1944, Med Theatre.