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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
The hotel is a gun free zone? Since when? I carry whenever I'm in vegas, including in the casinos and into my hotel. And I don't think that this loser broke a single law until he actually started shooting people. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| Ethics, antics, and ballistics  |
Everyone is going to have their point of view, and I can respect that so no need of me to convince anyone of anything. Just sharing in the discussion. I know all about Jerry and probably others that can pull triggers quickly but it is a moot point because even the superhumans have to take a break after a short while. The reason full auto exists is to allow the rifle to mechanically discharge as fast as possible with a single pull of the trigger. The devices in question are simply an additional mechanical component to achieve the same result. I don't agree with mag limits, assault weapon bans or any of the other nonsense that is normally pedaled by the gun control crowd. Never have, never will. But I do not have a strict libertarian view when it comes to these specific devices that purposefully accomplish the same result as pressing and holding a trigger on a rifle with a "traditional" full auto mechanism which are already regulated. -Dtech __________________________ "I've got a life to live, people to love, and a God to serve!" - sigmonkey "Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value." - Albert Einstein "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition" ― Rudyard Kipling | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
But this is different, right? Because you're taking the "common sense" approach to gun control. That is what you're saying- that you support "common sense gun control". This means ignoring the laws as they exist, and declaring your personal opinion to be the more sensible approach. That's what antis do, man. You might want to wake up. Do it for the children | |||
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The Joy Maker |
Shooting fast is okay, but not if you use some gizmo, which is what made this shooting so deadly, because he could use the gizmo to shoot fast, if he didn't have the gizmo he would have shot fast with just his finger, and that would have made it less deadly, even though he could fire just as fast, sans gizmo, so the gizmos should be banned, but shooting fast is still okay... Can I buy some pot from you? 
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Oriental Redneck |
So, are you in the camp that disagrees with everything about the NFA, except full auto? And, you think the bumpfire devices should be NFA restricted items? Q | |||
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| Oriental Redneck |
You know, there are guys who have been practicing prolonged fast shooting for years without tiring. We need to regulate how much they can practice. Yeah, that's it. That'll cut down on how deadly they could be. Q | |||
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Mensch |
I think they are ridiculous, but who am I to say someone can't own one? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Yidn, shreibt un fershreibt" "The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind." -Bomber Harris | |||
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| Ethics, antics, and ballistics |
Essentially yes. -Dtech __________________________ "I've got a life to live, people to love, and a God to serve!" - sigmonkey "Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value." - Albert Einstein "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition" ― Rudyard Kipling | |||
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I'm Fine |
I just watched a video of Jerry shooting a mag beside a man with a bumpfire stock and they both had the same speed (only Jerry was more accurate/had a tighter group). I kinda doubt he'd "get tired" after 10 minutes of shooting. So how does your new law deal with this ? I doubt Jerry M. is the only guy who can accomplish this... ------------------ SBrooks | |||
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| Oriental Redneck |
Ok, so you base your decision on this issue on emotion. Ok. Nothing else needs said here. Q | |||
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| Member |
I have yet to see a casino that isn't posted for firearms, in Nevada. Nevada state law doesn't prohibit the carry of a firearm in a casino, but does prohibit it where the property owner has posted no firearms allowed. Casinos are private property. The shooter was in violation of casino policy and by default, Nevada law. | |||
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Glorious SPAM! |
Incorrect. A bump fire stock does not allow more than one bullet to be discharged with a single pull of the trigger. Every time a round is discharged with a bump stock the trigger is pulled. When a firearm is "bump fired" the shooters trigger finger impinges on the trigger EVERY SINGLE TIME. Hence, a bump fire stock does not make a semi-automatic rifle into an automatic one. That is based on both the LEGAL and TECHNICAL definitions of semi and full automatic. The RATE at which bullets are discharged is absolutely immaterial. If the definition of "semi" hinges on rate, they will all be banned in short order. Do you realize it is possible to bump fire WITHOUT a toy stock? So now what should we ban? If you guessed semi-automatic firearms, you are correct. | |||
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| Oh stewardess, I speak jive.  |
Dtech has lost his his flipping mind. You have an infection of the mind, sir, a cancerous tumah of gun control notions. You sound EXACTLY like an anti gun maroon right now. Please let it go, you and any other do-gooder who thinks there is ANY value or use in regulation of such things. What an absurdly foolish notion in every conceivable regard. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
Let's take it easy, please. Dtech is answering honestly and calmly. Let's reciprocate. | |||
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| Ethics, antics, and ballistics |
Not an emotional perspective at all. I understand some people want to take a stand regarding the technical definition of what constitutes a full auto but it doesn't change the truth of the similarity of the end result with these devices. -Dtech __________________________ "I've got a life to live, people to love, and a God to serve!" - sigmonkey "Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value." - Albert Einstein "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition" ― Rudyard Kipling | |||
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| Oriental Redneck |
Rubber bands should be NFA restricted items, too. Q | |||
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| The Joy Maker |
What's the difference between the gizmo, and my finger, besides several hundred dollars?
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| Mensch |
Yeah, they'll put your eye out... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Yidn, shreibt un fershreibt" "The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind." -Bomber Harris | |||
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| Glorious SPAM! |
A semi auto can be bump fired without any special stock. How should we legislate against that? I would love to hear an answer. | |||
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| Oriental Redneck |
So, how are you going to regulate folks who can do exactly what these devices do with their fingers? And, you're very naive, if you think there are not many who can do it. Ans, should rubber bands be NFA restricted? Q | |||
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