Warning: Daughter's Dog Went Into Seizures Yesterday When Given a "DentaStix"

July 03, 2017, 09:56 PM

Pedigree has had several recalls.
http://www.petful.com/brands/pedigree/

The dental sticks have a number of complaints:
http://www.oes.org/page2/32642...e_Dental_Sticks.html
http://www.steadyhealth.com/to...liver-issues-in-dogs
https://www.petforums.co.uk/th...ix-dont-feed.170976/
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/pets/pedigree.html

I refuse to feed my corgis anything not made in the USA from USA source materials. Sadly I learned this after feeding my heart dog the crap from China. She developed a very rare liver cancer. Was it the Chinese food? I'll never know but never want to go through it again
http://www.arrfscarf.com/blog/...m-china-cause-deaths

July 03, 2017, 10:02 PM

Icabod

quote:
Originally posted by RogueJSK:
I've been feeding all my dogs Dentastix for 10+ years, with no side effects.

quote:
Originally posted by SIG4EVA:
Stay away from anything made in China.

Pedigree states that Dentastix are made in both Canada and the US. Not in China.

I've yet to see an American flag on the package. Next question is the source of the ingediants.

July 03, 2017, 10:04 PM

rscalzo

My dogs got them for many years with no issues.

A few years back we switched to Milk bone Dental chews. Made in USA.

Dentastix are loaded with calories.

July 03, 2017, 10:08 PM

RogueJSK

quote:
Originally posted by Icabod:
quote:
Originally posted by RogueJSK:
Pedigree states that Dentastix are made in both Canada and the US. Not in China.

I've yet to see an American flag on the package.

No flag, but the back of the Dentastix package reads: "Pedigree Treats are proudly produced by Mars Associates in our own facilities throughout the United States and Canada."

July 03, 2017, 10:38 PM

DMF

So still nothing to show that it's nothing more than a coincidence?

July 04, 2017, 11:33 AM

mike28w

Was this the first time that the dog has had Dentastix ??

If he has had the product before , what happened then ??

If this is related to the absorption of some sort of chemical .....the speed of absorption is impressive ! Most chemicals/drugs aren't absorbed that quickly....

I would suggest a trip to the vet...there may be something else wrong with your pup...

July 04, 2017, 01:44 PM

jhe888

quote:
Originally posted by DMF:
So how exactly have you proved the seizure was caused by the Dentastix, and that eating that was not coincidental to some other cause?

He doesn't, but it is easy to confuse coincidence for causation.

July 04, 2017, 02:35 PM

9mmepiphany

quote:
Originally posted by SapperSteel:
Moments after being given a "DentaStix" for the first time the dog went into seizures

The above would be the strongest argument against the DentaStix being the cause

July 04, 2017, 03:17 PM

SapperSteel

quote:
Originally posted by 9mmepiphany:
quote:
Originally posted by SapperSteel:
Moments after being given a "DentaStix" for the first time the dog went into seizures

The above would be the strongest argument against the DentaStix being the cause

As relayed to me by Dau#1, the dog had "dog breath" so she bought DentaStix for it while at the store on Sunday morning.

She gave the dog its first and only DentaStix ever while in the kitchen after getting home, and the dog proceed to chew it with vigor. She turned her attention to toasting a bagel. When she turned around from the toster with bagel in hand, the dog was trembling. Then it started thrashing around, eyes rolled back.

It took Dau#1 about a minute to assess the situation and decide what to do. Some time ago she had been familiarized with using hydrogen peroxide to induce vomiting in a dog that had gotten into some D-con rat poison, and she had peroxide on hand, so she mixed some water and peroxide in a squirt bottle and forced some down the dog's throat. Shortly after that her dog did vomit up the DentaStix. Then in a few more minutes it shat, with no evidence of any DentaStix in the fecal matter. That satisfied her that all the DentaStix was out of the dog.

While waiting for the dog to puke (she said it took about twenty minutes, during which time the seizures continued), she called her vet's emergency number. The vet told her she'd done the right thing with the peroxide, that it was probably an allergic reaction, the word used was "anaphalactoid", to the DentaStix. She was told to monitor the dog's condition and if it didn't improve then bring it in on Monday.

Dau#1 also commented that the chewed-up DentaStix fragments in the puke, which had started out green-colored, were bright pink, but still smelled like mint, when the dog puked them back up.

Dog (named Gracie) appears to be doing well now, no apparent evidence of permanent damage.

And, as already acknowledged in this thread, correlation is not causation. But it's damned strange, don't you think, that the only seizures the dog has ever had were immediately after being given its first ever DentaStix, and that the seizures stopped after the dog puked out the DentaStix? Do you propose, maybe, that Dau#1 should give Gracie another DentaStix to see if it kills the dog this time? Would that make the causation link for you? Well that isn't going to happen.

This is enough to convince me that the DentaStix are NOT safe. I've shared that info with members here with the best of intentions. If you don't believe the dog's seizures were caused by the DentaStix, fine. Do what you will. But none of my dogs will ever be given that crap.

July 04, 2017, 03:27 PM

arfmel

Thanks for the "heads up", Sap.
The only treats my dogs get are the Greenies "Pill Pockets" used to conceal the foul tasting Tramadol pills they both take morning and night. So far no issues with those, fortunately.

July 04, 2017, 04:30 PM

vinnybass

quote:
Originally posted by SapperSteel:
[snip]
Dau#1 also commented that the chewed-up DentaStix fragments in the puke, which had started out green-colored, were bright pink, but still smelled like mint, when the dog puked them back up.

This is the curious part.
Is it possible the dog got into some candy or gum sweetened with Xylitol as HayesGreener asked?

July 04, 2017, 04:51 PM

DMF

quote:
Originally posted by SapperSteel:
And, as already acknowledged in this thread, correlation is not causation. But it's damned strange, don't you think, that the only seizures the dog has ever had were immediately after being given its first ever DentaStix, and that the seizures stopped after the dog puked out the DentaStix? Do you propose, maybe, that Dau#1 should give Gracie another DentaStix to see if it kills the dog this time? Would that make the causation link for you? Well that isn't going to happen.

This is enough to convince me that the DentaStix are NOT safe. I've shared that info with members here with the best of intentions. If you don't believe the dog's seizures were caused by the DentaStix, fine. Do what you will. But none of my dogs will ever be given that crap.

I see what you mean.

Yesterday my Uncle Ned borrowed my neighbor's car, a "Lexus" and had an accident and nearly died.

"Lexus" is manufactured by an outfit named Toyota.

If you have access to one of those cars, think long and hard before driving it. Recommend you get rid of it.

And, as already acknowledged in this thread, correlation is not causation. But it's damned strange, don't you think, that the only accident my Uncle Ned over had was in that Lexus, given its the first ever Lexus he's ever driven? Do you propose, maybe, that Uncle Ned should drive another Lexus to see if it kills the Uncle Ned this time? Would that make the causation link for you? Well that isn't going to happen.

This is enough to convince me that Lexus autos are NOT safe. I've shared that info with members here with the best of intentions. If you don't believe the Uncle Ned's accident was caused by the Lexus, fine. Do what you will. But none of my Uncle's will ever drive that crap.

NOTE: The preceding is satire, but illustrates how ridiculous this stance is. Take the dog to a vet to find out what caused the seizures. If it's the Dentastix fine, but what if it's not, and the dog has another seizure. How about actually caring for the dog, and trying to find the actual cause, rather than simply assuming the cause, and further risking the dog's life.

No, that would actually be rational.

July 04, 2017, 05:22 PM

LS1 GTO

quote:
Originally posted by 12131:
quote:
Originally posted by SIG4EVA:
Stay away from anything made in China. I only buy treats made in the USA or make my own.

Exactly! I don't even eat Chinese foods anymore. If you see the documentaries I've seen about their "foods", you will never eat Chinese foods, or anything that came out of China, again. As far as I'm concerned, these fuckers are out to poison the world.

quote:
My hypocrisy goes only so far.

July 04, 2017, 08:08 PM

SapperSteel

quote:
Originally posted by DMF:
. . .I see what you mean.

Yesterday my Uncle Ned borrowed my neighbor's car, a "Lexus" and had an accident and nearly died.

"Lexus" is manufactured by an outfit named Toyota.

If you have access to one of those cars, think long and hard before driving it. Recommend you get rid of it.

And, as already acknowledged in this thread, correlation is not causation. But it's damned strange, don't you think, that the only accident my Uncle Ned over had was in that Lexus, given its the first ever Lexus he's ever driven? Do you propose, maybe, that Uncle Ned should drive another Lexus to see if it kills the Uncle Ned this time? Would that make the causation link for you? Well that isn't going to happen.

This is enough to convince me that Lexus autos are NOT safe. I've shared that info with members here with the best of intentions. If you don't believe the Uncle Ned's accident was caused by the Lexus, fine. Do what you will. But none of my Uncle's will ever drive that crap.

NOTE: The preceding is satire, but illustrates how ridiculous this stance is. Take the dog to a vet to find out what caused the seizures. If it's the Dentastix fine, but what if it's not, and the dog has another seizure. How about actually caring for the dog, and trying to find the actual cause, rather than simply assuming the cause, and further risking the dog's life.

No, that would actually be rational.

Your metaphorical comparison is asinine on its face. Clearly, there is no similarity whatsoever between a single change to a dog's diet and your uncle driving a different car -- no rational conclusion can be reached by such an outlandish comparison.

As to caring for the dog, the dog's vet, who is familiar with the dog, was consulted (did you read the thread?) and gave specific instructions to Dau#1. Vet's focus was on DentaStix as the cause of the seizure.

Your tone is snotty and your approach offensive. Your assertion that my and my daughter's conclusions regarding DentaStix are irrational, and that we somehow do not care for the dog's welfare is beyond the pale.

If you have a dog I did you a favor by sharing this information. If you choose not to believe it that's your business. You have no reason to insult me.

July 04, 2017, 10:27 PM

jimmy123x

I give my dog a dentastick once a week for the last 6 years and haven't had any issues with them. My box says made in either US or canada.

July 04, 2017, 11:29 PM

Nuclear

The dog had a severe allergic reaction to something in the treat. Read the ingredient list and make sure the dog never gets anything on that list, or dertermine what new thing it was exposed to from that treat and avoid it like the plague.

Oh, a dog (or a human) can develop one of these severe reactions virtually overnight.

July 05, 2017, 12:36 AM

DMF

quote:
Originally posted by SapperSteel:
quote:
Originally posted by DMF:
. . .I see what you mean.

Yesterday my Uncle Ned borrowed my neighbor's car, a "Lexus" and had an accident and nearly died.

"Lexus" is manufactured by an outfit named Toyota.

If you have access to one of those cars, think long and hard before driving it. Recommend you get rid of it.

And, as already acknowledged in this thread, correlation is not causation. But it's damned strange, don't you think, that the only accident my Uncle Ned over had was in that Lexus, given its the first ever Lexus he's ever driven? Do you propose, maybe, that Uncle Ned should drive another Lexus to see if it kills the Uncle Ned this time? Would that make the causation link for you? Well that isn't going to happen.

This is enough to convince me that Lexus autos are NOT safe. I've shared that info with members here with the best of intentions. If you don't believe the Uncle Ned's accident was caused by the Lexus, fine. Do what you will. But none of my Uncle's will ever drive that crap.

NOTE: The preceding is satire, but illustrates how ridiculous this stance is. Take the dog to a vet to find out what caused the seizures. If it's the Dentastix fine, but what if it's not, and the dog has another seizure. How about actually caring for the dog, and trying to find the actual cause, rather than simply assuming the cause, and further risking the dog's life.

No, that would actually be rational.

Your metaphorical comparison is asinine on its face. Clearly, there is no similarity whatsoever between a single change to a dog's diet and your uncle driving a different car -- no rational conclusion can be reached by such an outlandish comparison.

As to caring for the dog, the dog's vet, who is familiar with the dog, was consulted (did you read the thread?) and gave specific instructions to Dau#1. Vet's focus was on DentaStix as the cause of the seizure.

Your tone is snotty and your approach offensive. Your assertion that my and my daughter's conclusions regarding DentaStix are irrational, and that we somehow do not care for the dog's welfare is beyond the pale.

If you have a dog I did you a favor by sharing this information. If you choose not to believe it that's your business. You have no reason to insult me.

Nope, my comparison is quite appropriate.

However, somehow I missed your statement that the vet said the reaction "probably an allergic" reaction. For that I'm sorry, because it actually makes your "Warning" even more ridiculous. If the reaction was due to an allergy, your warning that others shouldn't give it to their dogs, and get rid of any they have, is the equivalent of you saying that no one should eat peanuts if you're allergic to it, or no one should take penicillin because someone you know is allergic to it.

What's snotty and offensive, is how utterly irrational your position on this thread has been.