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They would burst in a few seconds. Personally I would smoke the first 2-3 through the door. If they kept coming, I would work on those as well. -c1steve | |||
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If they were committed to making entry, their little pea brains would likely take a second to process that they were under fire and make the decision to turn and run. Add in momentum and it’s very likely you’d score more than one perp coming in, even if only a step or two. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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I'd go with a 9mm Gatling. | |||
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Does anyone know the rest of the story? Did they get in? Year V | |||
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Yeah that idea was pretty disappointing. _____________________________________________________ Sliced bread, the greatest thing since the 1911. | |||
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This is my thinking as well, the only warning a Home Invader should get is the click of the safety being shifted to Fire. BTW, my 870 is loaded with 4+1 of #1 Buckshot in 12 gage. That's 16 balls of lead in 32 caliber at 1275 fps and IMO that will provide for a quick STOP. I've stopped counting. | |||
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Has anyone seen any news about this. Where it was, what was the outcome/fallout? | |||
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You can keep your shotgun. Who knows how many of those urban rats are armed? That's the perfect scenario for an AR with a 30 round mag and a couple of more mags on hand. And I'll tell you this, if I were home with my wife and daughter and saw that outside my door, I'm not waiting for them to get that door open. I'm opening up on them with extreme prejudice.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Balzé Halzé, ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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It happened in Richmond, CA. I believe it occurred June 22 this year. I cannot find anything online about it. -c1steve | |||
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99.999999999% of all “home invasions” are drug rips. That may be why it’s not news. | |||
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99 % for real ? I imagine you pulled this number from your personal experience responding to home invasions. Lover of the US Constitution Wile E. Coyote School of DIY Disaster | |||
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7 guys going to a house in Richmond, sure looks like they knew what to find there. -c1steve | |||
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Yep. And from talking to coppers across the nation at training. | |||
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If it ain't 99%, it's pretty damn close. Drug rips are THE biggest reason. "Normal rich/affluent people" keep their money in a bank. Sure, they may have nice things in their residence, but if they pawn that stuff off, it's traceable. There are some rare exceptions to that rule. This was about 18 years ago, we had a Columbian crew working Jewelers here in the Chicago area. IIRC, they hit 2 houses while the owners were home. Every other one I can remember were all drug related. Those guys were rather competent, and violent. When they were done hitting their targets, back south to Columbia they went. Think about it. A crew isn't driving around a neighborhood going "Enny, Meany, Miney, Mo... This house here has got to go!" There's got to be something inside worth while. Dope and cash, and a person who's reluctant to call the cops are pretty good reasons. ______________________________________________________________________ "When its time to shoot, shoot. Dont talk!" “What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” —Author Tom Clancy | |||
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Can a homeowner (not drug dealer) come out of a situation like this? Didn't see any weapons, but that doesn't mean they didn't have any, shooting or no shooting I'm pretty sure they would claim to the police they came to rob but not to kill or harm (yeah right), unless guns were seen,used, and found. Of course the police would be called at the first sign of trouble (if time allows), but meanwhile you're on your own...so at what point would opening fire be considered? As they enter would seem to be the most plausible legal defense against multiple assailants I would think, but if you're inside the house alone or with family the pressure to act especially if you saw seven "attackers" busting down your door through your camera feed would be overwhelming (firing through door), but if no weapons were to be found among the dead bodies that might not bode well for the homeowner. Or do you barricade yourself and loved ones in a locked room, basically allowing the "robbers" to take what they want, and open fire only if they try to force their way in to your last defensive position? Of course the bad guys could open fire (if armed) on you through the doors & walls so no easy answers.... This is based on the presumption the homeowners are not drug dealers. | |||
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In the "not a drug dealer" situation I would have an issue shooting through a closed door, although the video might change that. But if they got through the door, I'd likely be laying down a wall of fire. In the aftermath, I don't think injuries or deaths of the home invaders would bring any long term legal consequence. The home owner would likely be run through the mill, but in the end I think charges would be highly unlike, and convictions even less so. Of course any shootout in a residential area brings up the issue of hitting bystanders/neighbors. That's a separate issue. The "am a drug dealer" situation makes this much more problematic. The call LE and/or use firearms to defend themselves, the chances that in the process of investigating the home invasion, the drug stash gets found is pretty high. If they let the invaders take the drugs, they risk getting killed, either by the invaders, or their higher ups.
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Yup, every home invasion I saw as a cop was a drug rip-off/drug related. B&Es are different. "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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First, I’m not a LEO and I believe laws vary from state to state. Having said that I was living in Galveston TX in the early 80’s and had several instances of someone breaking into our apartment to steal our liquor when we were given orders to evacuate the island due to a hurricane. I was talking to a local and he said in TX you have the right to shoot them as soon as they cross the threshold of the door but if you shoot them before they come through just drag them back inside then call the cops. Well I didn’t have a gun at the time so I borrowed a particular nasty compound and put it in a special bottle of particularly nice tequila. A few months pass and we got another order to evacuate. We come back and sure enough the back door was broken into again and the liquor was gone. My landlord was the head of emergency medicine at UTMB and when a couple of his neighbors came in with severe diarrhea we new who the culprits were... True story. ------------------ Eddie Our Founding Fathers were men who understood that the right thing is not necessarily the written thing. -kkina | |||
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These guys are taking so much time, that I'd be able to have just about every gun I own stacked up behind some cover and waiting on them to come through the door. Probably start with the 12 gauge (don't own an AR yet) then either .357 or .40 and then maybe the Winchester Lever gun or one of the other shotguns... ------------------ SBrooks | |||
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Same here, with 1 exception. That one involved a teen girl coming to door of an elderly couple requesting to use their phone because her car broke down, and when the couple opened the door, her three armed adult male compatriots rushed them, beat them, tied them up, and robbed them. | |||
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