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Never knew the name.
We all know Jack Ruby.
Wish we knew the whole story Behind all that.
Never in my life will it be unarchived.

You do know the story behind all that. Or, at least, the information has been out there to tell you all you need to know about Jack Ruby. Suffice to say, Jack Ruby was a bit crazy, and highly emotional about Oswald killing 'his President', so he shot the guy. That's all there is to it, and we are not going to re-hash these events of more than half a century ago. Lee Harvey Oswald and only Lee Harvey Oswald murdered John Kennedy and Dallas police officer J.D. Tippitt and wounded John Connally, and Ruby, in turn, murdered Oswald.
There was no conspiracy at all at any point in this chain of events. Oswald acted alone and so did Ruby, but the truth is so very often quite boring.

You want to know how crazy Ruby was? Go read Gerald Posner's Case Closed and then you'll know.

In the meantime, this thread is about Jim Leavell.

Not disagreeing with you at all. No conspiracy theory. Don’t care to rehash the last 60 years of history.
I do wonder what is in the national archives that should have been unarchived, and wasn’t. That’s all I meant.

So the thread is about Jim Leavell. He was a homicide detective. Aside of that pic, he pretty much is unknown. Is there something (aside of IQ) I am missing?

Yeah. I saw it on live television. It was a Sunday morning. Never seen anybody shot before, much less on television. I read the condensed version of the Warren report and the background on Ruby. Everytime I hear this conspiracy stuff I think of the Mel Gibson film, Conspiracy Theory.

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Originally posted by Beancooker:
So the thread is about Jim Leavell. He was a homicide detective. Aside of that pic, he pretty much is unknown. Is there something (aside of IQ) I am missing?

Just what exactly is your problem?

Due to the fact that the man was handcuffed to Lee Harvey Oswald at the moment of his murder, his face has become part of our national conscience. He is an historical figure who was part of the televised murder of the assassin of a POTUS, a tremendous and emotional upheaval in our country at that time. Why are you asking me this stuff? You need this explained to you?

What you're doing in this and other threads- this is precisely what a troll would do. You need to cool it or I'm gonna cool it for you.

I saw him interviewed on a show about the Pearl Harbor attack-he was there that day 12/7/41. RIP.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
Yeah. I saw it on live television. It was a Sunday morning. Never seen anybody shot before, much less on television.

As far as I know, that was the first live televised murder in this or any other country. Filmed murders and deaths, sure, those have been around almost from the infancy of motion pictures, but televised live? I think ol' Lee was the first.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
Yeah. I saw it on live television. It was a Sunday morning. Never seen anybody shot before, much less on television.

As far as I know, that was the first live televised murder in this or any other country. Filmed murders and deaths, sure, those have been around almost from the infancy of motion pictures, but televised live? I think ol' Lee was the first.

Ol' Lee was the second, John was the first. We wouldn't have been payin any attention to Lee of he didn't assassinate JFK.
I can't remember where I read that, possibly in one of the Homicie classes, but I believe you're correct. JFK's was the first live and un-censored shooting/ homicide that was televised. This was the beginning of live broadcast TV.

Combat footage from Korea/ WWII was film, Vietnam was well after this.

RIP Mr Leavell.
I would have bet that he passed away long ago. Just one of those obscure moments that had a dramatic impact. And Jim Leavell happen to be rights in the middle of it.

Sorry, but you're mistaken. JFK's assassinaton was not televised. A man named Abraham Zapruder captured Kennedy's death with an 8mm movie camera, and at least one other person captured the instant of the headshot with- IIRC- a Polaroid camera, but that was from an odd angle.

The Zapruder film was not seen- except for still frames excerpted from the film (which appeared in Life magazine)- by the public for many years; 1975 IIRC.

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Combat footage from Korea

Again, no. Live televison broadcasts of combat during the Korean War? No.

Ahhh, that's right!
The motorcade wasn't televised.

Then yep, Lee was #1.

I got to do some looking, and find out where I read that.

Here ya go. Para's a trivia machine.



After seeing that film, just about everybody in the country instantly became experts on terminal ballistics and fluid dynamics.

And from the Guiness Book of World Records:


LEE HARVEY OSWALD
What
FIRST
Where
UNITED STATES ()
When
24 NOVEMBER 1963
The shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald (USA) ­ the man accused of killing US President John F. Kennedy ­ by Jack Ruby (USA) on 24 November 1963 was broadcast live on national television and is the first known human killing seen live on TV.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
The Zapruder film was not seen- except for still frames excerpted from the film (which appeared in Life magazine)- by the public for many years

some of those frames are quite graphic.

Thanks for posting about Jim Leavell, knew the face not the name.

RIP Jim

I think it was Ruby's sister who stated that whe she went to see him in the Dallas County jail, Ruby put his ear against the wall of his cell and said "Listen! They're killing Jews in the basement!"

The guy was not playing with a full deck.

A white trash malcontent and a nutcase strip joint owner. That's how we got that chain of events in 1963.

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I just pulled out my copy of Case Closed. Top of page 401 tells you all you need to know about Jack Ruby's mental condition. The guy was a certified space cadet.

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:
And from the Guiness Book of World Records:


LEE HARVEY OSWALD
What
FIRST
Where
UNITED STATES ()
When
24 NOVEMBER 1963
The shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald (USA) ­ the man accused of killing US President John F. Kennedy ­ by Jack Ruby (USA) on 24 November 1963 was broadcast live on national television and is the first known human killing seen live on TV.

Puts a new spin on Lincoln's comment "If it wasn’t for the honor of the thing, I’d rather walk."

I saw this headline yesterday and yup, didn't know the name but I knew the face. I find it amazing that he was present for two defining episodes of American history, on board a ship during the attack at Pearl Harbor, and then twenty something years later right next to the assassination of the man who just killed the president.

As you go about your life you just never know where you are going to be or what you will witness.

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Gerald Posner's Case Closed

I know the picture but never knew his name.
I was looking for my next book to read so I will start with this one.
Never knew about that book. Thanks.

Reclaiming History by Vincent Bugliosi is a massive book that examines every possible detail surrounding the murder of JFK.

https://www.amazon.com/Reclaim...ennedy/dp/0393045250

Four Days in November is pretty much an excerpt.

https://www.amazon.com/Four-Da...GQ0V0RNGH1SRS6ANJ5Q9

I remember watching that as a ten year old. That was a different time and a lot of things that happened may be hard for some people to understand now.
That event reminds me of the Bobby Kennedy shooting with all the people just stirring around and the security not being very secure by today's standards.
The Posner and Bugliosi books are very well researched and therefore very similar although Posner's goes into more detail about Oswalds earlier life. Another good read from a different angle is "The Kennedy Detail" by the Secret Service agent.
I don't recall hearing Jim Leavelle's name or any of the others around Oswald although they are probably mentioned in the books in passing. They seemed to get little attention or be interviewed, probably because we all saw it live and replayed so many times afterword. Nobody seemed to care about their opinion. They played a unique role in history and no one seemed to even ask their opinion then or in the decades since.
Ruby thought he would be hailed as a hero. He was tried and originally sentenced to death.
Leavelle also was the first to question Oswald who was originally brought in as a suspect in Officer Tippit's death. A few days after Oswald was shot, he provided security when Ruby was transferred.
Jim Leavelle had just turned 99 years old.

Jim Leavelle's testimony from the President's Commission.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/rus...stimony/leave_j2.htm