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There's nothing wrong with the juvenile justice system, even in California where I worked as a LEO for 30+ years and a defense investigative/expert resource since retiring in 2008. Juvenile courts throughout the country have always had an emphasis on what actions could be taken to help the minor become rehabilitated. The problem is that children these days aren't being taught the importance of right and wrong. Worse, they're being indoctrinated at home and in the schools that they're entitled short term benefits from whatever actions they take (lawful or not) because they're "VICTIMS of oppression" no matter what. If kids are "learning" this lesson from all sources besides the courts, how can the juvenile justice system change that mental state once a matter falls under their jurisdiction? The judges involved aren't broken, the children are.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:

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There's nothing wrong with the juvenile justice system, even in California where I worked as a LEO for 30+ years and a defense investigative/expert resource since retiring in 2008. Juvenile courts throughout the country have always had an emphasis on what actions could be taken to help the minor become rehabilitated. The problem is that children these days aren't being taught the importance of right and wrong. Worse, they're being indoctrinated at home and in the schools that they're entitled short term benefits from whatever actions they take (lawful or not) because they're "VICTIMS of oppression" no matter what. If kids are "learning" this lesson from all sources besides the courts, how can the juvenile justice system change that mental state once a matter falls under their jurisdiction? The judges involved aren't broken, the children are.

You and I agree that the root of the problem is that the home is broken, and as such the kids are not being taught consequences and responsibility. We also agree that the justice system may be the last chance that a lot of these kids have. The problem is that the justice system puts a huge emphasis on keeping the kids in the home...the same home that's been failing them from the very beginning. So now these kids see that there are no consequences from their parents, there's no consequences from the schools, there's no consequences from probation, and there's no consequences from the cops or the courts, because they're just going to get sent home no matter what they do. Their poor behavior is reinforced at every step of the process.

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We can't and shouldn't institutionalize every juvenile offender for every crime he/she is responsible for committing.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:

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We can't and shouldn't institutionalize every juvenile offender for every crime he/she is responsible for committing.

Agreed as well. Every kid doesn't need to go into the system, and there are plenty of minor things that should be resolved at home. But when the kid is beating the crap out of Mom or Dad, runs away 3 or 4 times in the same night, battering cops, or getting involved in vehicle pursuits with stolen cars and/or stolen guns, just having them go spend the night at grandma's or sending them home to mom and dad isn't going to fix it. That's the point where they need locked up to protect the rest of society from their behavior and provide them with an understanding of consequences that they're clearly not getting at home. That's the stuff I'm talking about, and we deal with it here on a very consistent basis.

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Originally posted by gearhounds:
Thug larva will eventually mature into full blown antisocial savages without proper upbringing at home. When right vs. wrong is skewed by cultural values (or lack thereof) it’s no longer right vs. wrong, it’s get caught/get away with.

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The juvenile justice system is broken …

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
That's right, a group of teenagers, stole a car, used guns to rob at least one other person, then pulled up and tried to rob this guy. He wasn't having it and opened fire wounding 2 of them.

Where are the parents of these delinquents? No idea what your kids are doing on a Sunday? I'm just waiting for the angry mothers to show up on TV and demand the true victim be arrested for shooting their innocent babies "who didn't do nothin'". Not sure how well that argument stands as at least he shot them in the leg

From a different perspective, I think most of us here are fairly well prepared, in one form or another, to defend and attack from an adult. When the attacker is a child, or an armed child that puts an entirely different spin on things. I think there is a psychological, and sociological premise that because they are kids they are not really dangerous, or are less harmless than an adult. Perhaps true prior to 1990 in most areas but that is clearly not true any more. Granted most kids lack the physical strength of an adult but they also lack the critical thinking and good decision making skills. Yet as an adult in that scenario, many seem to expect you to be able to handle it in way that prevents the child from getting hurt. Talk about a catch 22.

How do you prepare for that? How sad that we even have to have this discussion.

The story...
https://www.wwltv.com/article/...67-b11c-1adb78328148

NEW ORLEANS — A man shot and fired at four would-be robbers who police believe were involved in a string of crimes Sunday, injuring an 11-year-old and a 13-year-old suspect in the process.

The incident occurred on Sunday, April 30 in the 4900 block of Eastern Street in the Gentilly Woods area.

The NOPD said the two juveniles who were shot suffered leg injuries and were taken to the hospital for treatment.



They said the four were also suspected in as many as three other incidents, including a stolen vehicle in the 5700 block of Press Drive earlier Sunday, a simple robbery in the 2400 block of Jay Street, and an armed carjacking in the 6400 block of Painters Street.

Police said the stolen vehicle on Press Drive was the one used in the attempted robbery where the victim shot back.



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Originally posted by 92fstech:

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There's nothing wrong with the juvenile justice system, even in California where I worked as a LEO for 30+ years and a defense investigative/expert resource since retiring in 2008. Juvenile courts throughout the country have always had an emphasis on what actions could be taken to help the minor become rehabilitated. The problem is that children these days aren't being taught the importance of right and wrong. Worse, they're being indoctrinated at home and in the schools that they're entitled short term benefits from whatever actions they take (lawful or not) because they're "VICTIMS of oppression" no matter what. If kids are "learning" this lesson from all sources besides the courts, how can the juvenile justice system change that mental state once a matter falls under their jurisdiction? The judges involved aren't broken, the children are.

You and I agree that the root of the problem is that the home is broken, and as such the kids are not being taught consequences and responsibility. We also agree that the justice system may be the last chance that a lot of these kids have. The problem is that the justice system puts a huge emphasis on keeping the kids in the home...the same home that's been failing them from the very beginning. So now these kids see that there are no consequences from their parents, there's no consequences from the schools, there's no consequences from probation, and there's no consequences from the cops or the courts, because they're just going to get sent home no matter what they do. Their poor behavior is reinforced at every step of the process.

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a group of teenagers, snip, used guns to rob at least one other person, then pulled up and tried to rob this guy. He wasn't having it and opened fire wounding 2 of them.

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Originally posted by flashguy:
I notice there has been no mention of ethnicity.

flashguy

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Originally posted by flashguy:

I notice there has been no mention of ethnicity.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by flashguy:

I notice there has been no mention of ethnicity.

I don't believe that ethnicity or race has anything to do with it. Nothing at all. It's the "culture" that influenced these kids. True, that "culture" is likely to be found among certain ethnic groups, but it has nothing to do with DNA; it's a way of life that is passed on by example, not by genetics.