In yet another example of the stupid being strong....

Detroit bullet bill

(WJBK) - The Detroit City Council approved a "Bullet Bill" gun control resolution Wednesday with a unanimous vote.

The resolution limits ammunition amounts that can be bought while requiring a mental health background check on buyers of ammo in Wayne County. Commissioner Reggie Reg Davis of the 6th district spearheaded the resolution.

As part of a proposed Wayne County “Bullet Bill” ordinance, additional county taxes would be imposed on the purchase of ammunition with revenue going to assist victims of gun violence and educational programs with a focus on conflict resolution and administrative costs.

First the resolution went to the Detroit City Council standing committee on Public Health and Safety before the full council passed the “Bullet Bill” resolution sponsored by Councilman Rev. Andre Spivey.

"The people of Detroit, Wayne County and the State of Michigan are a step closer to having safer neighborhoods after this courageous signal by Detroit City Council that we are tired of the funerals, trips to the morgue and maddening gun violence. Our next step is on to Lansing and the state legislature,” said Commissioner Davis. “My brother Vito was gunned down and killed on the streets of Detroit.

"Vito and an uncle, also a victim of gun violence, is entombed at Woodlawn Cemetery. We must unload the guns. I do not want any more families to go through what my family and too many families have to endure on the killing fields of Wayne County."

Davis said that he is working on funding and a program targeting his 6th District in northwest Detroit that will serve as a national model for prevention of serious mental illness.

Contact: Wayne County 6th District Commissioner Reggie Reg Davis (313) 544-6312

I just looked it up and according to gunlawsbystate.com Michigan has a preemption statute:

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“A local unit of government shall not impose special taxation on, enact or enforce any ordinance or regulation pertaining to, or regulate in any other manner the ownership, registration, purchase, sale, transfer, transportation, or possession of pistols or other firearms, ammunition for pistols or other firearms, or components of pistols or other firearms, except as otherwise provided by federal law or a law of this state.”

Based on the above, I don't think neither the mental health background check nor the ammo tax will survive a court challenge.

Another waste of time. Yellow Pages lists two gun shops in the city. As if this is going to make any impact on the crime in the city. Even if they succeed in getting Wayne County onboard they still have two more surrounding counties, Oakland and Macomb to flip to their way of thinking. And as others have said, what is there stopping a Detroit or Wayne County resident from going to another county and buying it there? Nothing.

Kind of reminds me of the 1970's and Detroit wanting to have a Tri-County mass transit system. Detroit spearheaded a move to set up those counties for additional vehicle registration fees, these fees were for a study on how and what to do for mass transit. Those three counties had additional charges for vehicle titles and license plates. Only one thing the state legislature screwed up on. These fees were to be collected when titles were issued or transferred or license plates were bought in the Tri County area. So if you came from as an example Houghton County in the U.P. and bought a car in Detroit you were assessed for the higher title and license plates as it was titled and plated in the county area.. But if you lived in the Tri-County area you could cross the county line and go to any Secretary of State for title and license plates without the surcharge.

I was selling auto parts and had my drivers go to Flint, Lansing and Livonia daily to pick up parts from factory warehouses. It was no big deal to have them "stop by a S of S office OUTSIDE of here" and pick up my plates.

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Originally posted by shovelhead:
Another waste of time. Yellow Pages lists two gun shops in the city. As if this is going to make any impact on the crime in the city. Even if they succeed in getting Wayne County onboard they still have two more surrounding counties, Oakland and Macomb to flip to their way of thinking.

That's the plan, don't you see?

This is simply a resolution. I don't believe the City of Detroit can pass such a local law or ordinance. The idea is to use that to bootstrap it up to the Wayne County level, where it can be passed as a country-wide ordinance. Then they'll try to get other counties on board, and, ultimately, the entire state.

It's a stupid idea. All it'll do, if successfully turned into ordinance or law, is make it more difficult and expensive for the people who really shoot most, people practising for self defence and recreational shooters.

In fact: It might could be challenged on basis of it placing an undue burden on CPL holders, who are obliged, by law, to practice a certain amount to renew.

In celebration of this new resolution, I'll be going out and buying more ammo RSN. Just haven't decided what, how much, and from where

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This is simply a resolution. I don't believe the City of Detroit can pass such a local law or ordinance. The idea is to use that to bootstrap it up to the Wayne County level, where it can be passed as a country-wide ordinance.

Are Counties not considered local in Michigan?
Anything other than the state governing body is considered local here. Many counties here are the only governing body in that area with no smaller municipalities inside the county, including the 2nd highest populated county in the state.

My dad purchased his 4" barrel, nickel plated, Colt Python from Hudson's department store on Woodward Ave. in 1963. Funny how things change over time.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:

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This is simply a resolution. I don't believe the City of Detroit can pass such a local law or ordinance. The idea is to use that to bootstrap it up to the Wayne County level, where it can be passed as a country-wide ordinance.

Are Counties not considered local in Michigan?
Anything other than the state governing body is considered local here. Many counties here are the only governing body in that area with no smaller municipalities inside the county, including the 2nd highest populated county in the state.

Counties are local units of government under Michigan's preemption statute. This will go nowhere, and if it somehow does the challenge will be swift and is guaranteed to be successful. The people who passed this resolution know this, of course. It's a feel good measure.

Why don't they just tax people for shooting other people? 500 bucks ought to do it.

Detroit City Council is the gift that keeps on giving. These folks make the Democrats in congress look very smart. You would not believe some of the things that Detroit City Council has come up with over the years. It is almost always a "you can't make this stuff up" activity, with these clowns.
Rod

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That's the plan, don't you see?

Clearly I do. One of the reasons we live out here in a Red County. As a previous resident of Oakland County I got tired of listening to the rhetoric of how all the problems of Detroit and Wayne County all stemmed from white flight and as a resident of the suburbs "I" caused it and that my tax dollars were "owed" to the city to right the wrongs of the past.

sig sailor,

You have to remember where the stars of the Democratic Party get their start in Michigan, the Democratic Machine of Wayne County. They are groomed there.

Ficano,Granholm, Kilpatrick (both Kwame and mommie),John and Monica Conyers,Coleman Young and others.

https://www.detroitnews.com/st...tion-probe/23111859/

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Originally posted by Palm:

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Originally posted by Black92LX:

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This is simply a resolution. I don't believe the City of Detroit can pass such a local law or ordinance. The idea is to use that to bootstrap it up to the Wayne County level, where it can be passed as a country-wide ordinance.

Are Counties not considered local in Michigan?
Anything other than the state governing body is considered local here. Many counties here are the only governing body in that area with no smaller municipalities inside the county, including the 2nd highest populated county in the state.

Counties are local units of government under Michigan's preemption statute. This will go nowhere, and if it somehow does the challenge will be swift and is guaranteed to be successful. The people who passed this resolution know this, of course. It's a feel good measure.

It should be illegal to pass laws that are clearly in violation of other laws such as the preemption law. Having to go to a higher court to overturn these laws costs money and time. Detroit should be held responsible for the court and lawyer fees. As well, the individuals should be held accountable. (Similarly, The 9th circuit comes to mind. If a lower court judge is overruled 4 times, or whatever number of times, they should be booted from the bench.)

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Commissioner Reggie Reg Davis

http://www.fox2detroit.com/new...nies-hitting-another

I guess it is pretty easy to see why this dolt wants to limit/eliminate guns in the hands of the public.

Seems like he likes attacking women. Even tho, he denies it happened. What crook does not deny his guilt?

I have long said that where it may be difficult to ban firearms in many locations, the backdoor is to ban the ammunition or throttle the availability; it's a very slippery slope because it seems less menacing on the surface.

Legislation like this is potentially more harmful than other efforts because it sounds more acceptable to a wider audience and doesn't carry the same political overtones as "gun control." It's the foot in the door, however, and the nose under the camel's tent.

Anyone who has spent any time in inner city Detroit knows that if there's any place in the United States where one really ought to be carrying a firearm, it's there.

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:

Anyone who has spent any time in inner city Detroit knows that if there's any place in the United States where one really ought to be carrying a firearm, it's there.

Detroit’s Police Chief would agree with you.
https://personalliberty.com/de...ry-for-a-safer-city/
A little dated but still relevant.

The article leaves out some critical information or I just missed it. What is the mental health check that is required?

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
The article leaves out some critical information or I just missed it. What is the mental health check that is required?

With some of the antics over the years from the Detroit City Council maybe they should start there.



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How many lives will this save?

None, instead of indiscriminate gunfire maybe they will work on shot placement.

Seattle has tried this. The tax revenue was put at $500,000 in the first year. When asked how much was actually collected, the city refused to say. After it went to court, the city confessed to around $200,000. Meanwhile, the few gun shops closed or moved out of the city. Don’t recall any claims that the bullet tax reduced shootings.

No doubt Detroit will do a Chicago. They will blame gun violence on guns and ammunition com8ng in from outside the city limits.