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Hard to believe but, with the peace-divided of the 90's, only 11 carriers split amongst deployments, maintenance, and work-ups, not to mention a war that's now 17-years, this isn't a surprise. Lots of perishable skills that need to be relearned. With REFORGER getting a hard look at re-starting, looks like this is a prelude to re-starting Northern Wedding. Truman Carrier Strike Group Operating North of Arctic Circle; First Time for US Navy Since 1991
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What kind of survival gear do these pilots have to carry with them to operate in this environment? This environment makes me question the use of a single seat jet like the F35. Might be a good plane but I think in the Naval aviation world I would rather have two engines. | |||
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Aircrew have survival dry suits but depending on water temps, survival is still measured in minutes instead of hours. The word on the street when they were developing the F-35 (despite it being sad that there would never again be a single engine aircraft on a carrier) was engine monitoring systems were so much better you'd lose fewer F35s than current twin engine jets. Of course that doesn't take non-maintenance failures into account, like FOD on the catapult, etc, etc. Shit that shouldn't happen but invariably does sometimes. I'll take a twin engine fighter any day off the carrier. | |||
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As a sailor and having made some North patrols I can say that life expectancy is measured in minutes if one falls into the water. A survival suit with a liner will keep you alive for a few hours at best, and in best conditions. Once we got north of Nova Scotia we were told that to fall over the side was a death sentence- even if seen falling overboard. This is because it took time to turn the ship around and scramble a crew and small boat to retrieve you.... "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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So how long does it take to get a helicopter up and flying to pick up the aircrew if they should have to punch out after a bad landing on the ship? | |||
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Well if they eject right next to the carrier, 5-10 minutes, give or take. Outside of that, it's a time distance problem - carrier aircraft can be operating 50 to several hundred miles away from the carrier, so with a helo that does 100-ish knots, 30 minutes to several hours, since the carrier's helos typically stay close to the carrier. Granted there might be battlegroup ships nearby with their own helos, but all in all its undesirable to eject in conditions like that. But operating in areas like that is nothing new. Flying over Northern Afghanistan in the dead of winter, with mountains 15-20K tall all around, it simply isn't possible to bring enough gear along to survive very long if you had to eject. We would brief staying with the plane a lot longer when flying up there (especially at night), to try to get near a valley, because you were pretty much dead ejecting up there if you land on a 20K tall snow covered mountain at night, with a flightsuit and jacked. No helos can get to you easily in those conditions either. That's why they paid us the big bucks... ![]() | |||
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Hey, I was on CV-66 for ‘North Star’ in 91. I have the ‘blue nose’ certificate framed in the basement. We came back after two months past Iceland then near Norway, some R&R then a 6 month Med/IO cruise. While in the Indian Ocean we crossed the equator, a bit more of an event than the Artic Circle. Right now the USS AMERICA sits on the bottom of the Atlantic. | |||
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Sounds like lessons are being learned and experience is being gained. Hopefully ship designers are taking note, can only imagine the noise in the well-deck with the LCU's bouncing around. U.S. Amphibs Return to Iceland After Rough Seas Cause Damage, Few Minor Injuries
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This was on the USS Richard E. Byrd in 1979. We had a guy go over the side in the North Atlantic. He was picked up by another ship after being in the water for 17 minutes. Another few minutes and he would've been gone. Once he came back aboard to our ship he told us that he couldn't stop shivering and couldn't get warm for quite some time. CW | |||
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I was on AOR6 for that same cruise, got frostbite on my toes standing Signalman of the Watch. I was just on the Gunston Hall a couple of weeks ago, chewing out the CDO for their pier sentries not letting my contractor's vehicles on the pier per SOPA regs. I hope everyone is OK. Much worse places to be stranded awaiting repairs than Iceland. MOO means NO! Be the comet! | |||
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