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Lawyers, Guns and Money |
Yes... that would have been great. But sometimes a case takes on a wider significance beyond the facts of the case, as proven beyond a reasonable doubt. The Dred Scott case comes to mind. The picture posted above, with the caption "A beautiful Fuck YOU to Trump" seems to show that this is more significant than your average "not guilty". "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Sigforum K9 handler |
Anyone who refuses to see this as a miscarriage of justice is part of the problem. None of us really cares about the details of who dropped the ball or why. | |||
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EXACTLY! Remember, this is all supposed to be for fun................... | |||
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Will we be able to read transcripts from the trial? Would it include jury deliberations, perhaps with the names masked? ____________________ | |||
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Transcripts would never include jury deliberations. They are not recorded. | |||
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Glorious SPAM! |
There is right, and there is wrong. And sometimes those two things can't be found written down in a book. This result was wrong, but it is done. Our system is not perfect, and personally I feel the prosecution overreached. I don't see how they could have proved what they charged "beyond a reasonalble doubt". Was that by design? Who knows. As another poster noted the one possible positive out of this is that normal people, not the far left, not the far right, will look at this and say that it was wrong. And what could have prevented it? If he was never here in the first place. That would have prevented it. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Overcharged how? I asked this on the second page of this thread. If not involuntary manslaughter, what else could he have been charged with that would've brought justice? ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Glorious SPAM! |
He was formally charged with first degree murder and then changed to second degree murder correct? That's not involuntary manslaughter which I believe could have been proved. I don't know California laws but manslaughter and murder are usually defined as two different things. Intent being a key ingredient. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
He was found not guilty of first degree murder, second degree murder, and involuntary manslaughter. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Legalize the Constitution |
Exactly, the jury could have returned a guilty charge on any of three homicide charges.
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Glorious SPAM! |
Ahh. Don't see how the last one passed. I was listening to Fox this AM before work and they only mentioned the murder charges. Figures. Accident or not, I don't see how he is not guilty of involuntary manslaughter. If my Sig "went off" in a Seven Eleven parking lot, the round then skipped off the concrete and went into a pile of Mexicans looking for work you could be dam sure I'd be guilty if one died. There was just a headline on the Fox app about the DOJ charging him. Got to read it. | |||
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Will straight conservative white people be rioting in San Francisco tonight? CMSGT USAF (Retired) Chief of Police (Retired) | |||
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Info Guru |
Here are some more details on the charges, it got bumped from the bottom of the last page:
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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DOJ files arrest warrant for illegal immigrant acquitted in Kate Steinle case: The Department of Justice unsealed an arrest warrant Friday for Jose Inez Garcia Zarate, the illegal immigrant acquitted Thursday in Kate Steinle’s murder trial. Zarate was found not guilty of murdering Steinle on a pier in San Francisco in July 2015. Steinle was walking with her father and a family friend when she was shot, collapsing into her father's arms. Zarate had been released from a San Francisco jail about three months before the shooting, despite a request by federal immigration authorities to detain him for deportation. The case sparked a widespread national debate over illegal immigration and sanctuary cities. He was acquitted of first- and second-degree murder, involuntary manslaughter and found not guilty of assault with a semi-automatic weapon. He was found guilty of posessing a firearm by a felon. The arrest warrant was originally drafted in 2015 and amended this week to include violations related to the charges of a felon in possession of a firearm, involuntary manslaughter and assault with a deadly weapon, all of which were filed after the defendant's initial arrest, according to Friday's warrant. Officials at the Department of Justice told Fox News that there is an existing federal detainer that requires Zarate to be remanded into the custody of the U.S. Marshals to be transported to the Western District of Texas pursuant to the arrest warrant. After the verdict, U.S. immigration officials announced late Thursday that Zarate would be deported. "Following the conclusion of this case, ICE will work to take custody of Mr. Garcia Zarate and ultimately remove him from the country," U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017...te-steinle-case.html | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
That's a trick question. | |||
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Both of Them? ;-D Remember, this is all supposed to be for fun................... | |||
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This Space for Rent |
Hey now. In our San Francisco office we have 7 men and I know at least 6 of them are straight. We will never know world peace, until three people can simultaneously look each other straight in the eye Liberals are like pussycats and Twitter is Trump's laser pointer to keep them busy while he takes care of business - Rey HRH. | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
Nope. Jury deliberations are secret, not reported. Trial transcripts are kept by the court reporter who collects a fee for transcribing and producing copies. I can’t say they are never available, because I found online the trial transcript of those two Border Patrolmen who shot the Mexican kid in the butt years ago, on the website of the US Attorney, but it is rare indeed. It’s too bad. Our only information about these trials come from media reports. Think about one or two areas in which you are expert or near expert. Think about the news stories you read, or media accounts, dealing with these subjects and reflect how often those are accurate, realistic, intelligible. Me, too. It seems to me that the jury did not accept the evidence as adequate to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the homicide charge, and concluded that it was entirely accidental, for which there was no criminal blame. We can’t really be certain, since we don't have the benefit of reviewing the evidence. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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If we are lucky, this travesty of justice will propel the country to erect the border wall and expel a couple of million illegals. -c1steve | |||
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Go ahead punk, make my day |
DOJ just put out an arrest warrant on this scumbag for federal charges - from Fox News. | |||
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