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Frangas non Flectes |
Fair enough, guys. ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
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Agreed.....and I'm not an LEO....but I do play one on TV. P229 | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
L'il Kim, did you use your hackers to hijack Chongo's account? Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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| hello darkness my old friend  |
Sure but, the pursuit only ended when the cop got close and poured rounds into the vehicle. Before that happened the police were just following bad guys who were shooting at much longer distances with less chance of getting hits on the police and creating more risk for the public. Letting this crime spree continue for longer periods just couldn't happen. I'm sure the officer knew the risk but I'm also sure the bad guys didn't care one bit about what was down range. The officer closed the distance and took better percentage shots. All things considered I can't really ask any more for our LEO's. | |||
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| That rug really tied the room together.  |
The air unit wasn't there. It likely was on the ground in standby mode and wouldn't have been there for 30-45 minutes. Did it look like the officers had 45 minutes? Sure the officer could have killed kids. He also could have crashed into a gas station causing an explosion that would have took out several blocks. He could have accidentally shot a passing nuclear bomb being transported by USAF security forces and took out all of Las Vegas too. He could have ran over 200 school kids waiting for their school bus. A lot of "what if's", but you know, none of that happened. ______________________________________________________ Often times a very small man can cast a very large shadow | |||
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| That rug really tied the room together. |
You've just been promoted to patrol officer (from Monday morning quarterback and policing expert). It is your JOB to stop and detain these wanted murderers, that are shooting at police officers. What are you going to do? Be specific. What is your grand plan? Lets assume the air unit is 45 minutes away. ______________________________________________________ Often times a very small man can cast a very large shadow | |||
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Sigforum K9 handler |
Hey Broward County didn’t shoot anyone by accident at Parkland. How do you THINK those parents feel about officers doing nothing? | |||
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| Frangas non Flectes |
He’s gonna use Chongo’s vehicular-launched hyperbole missile!  ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
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It was already stated in this thread about high risk/low reward. I dont think it was ever said but who did these two kill? Im willing to assume it was another shit bag. Sometimes it is simply just not worth it. If these guys just shot up a daycare center then no issues, go get them. If they killed another guy in a drug deal who freaking cares. You can always get them tomorrow. There is no shame in backing off. Some times the best thing to do is to do nothing at all. Sig2340 is right on. If the officer would have shot an innocent in the process we would be hanging him out to dry. | |||
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quarter MOA visionary |
If any of us was in a situation where we used a firearm to defend (justifiably) ourselves and we miss and hit some innocent bystander nearby we would and should be held responsible. If we hit our assailant (only) then all is good. Pretty much the same scenario here. | |||
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Quit staring at my wife's Butt |
That was cool !! when he was putting in the second mag, I was yelling turn it over.  | |||
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Based on the facts presented - these murderers were not even close to being done with the killing. | |||
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| We gonna get some oojima in this house!  |
Wow! An SBR in a vehicle. Can’t imagine how loud that was. ----------------------------------------------------------- TCB all the time... | |||
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Had a guy light off an 870 in a car once. Neither one of us could hear the radio call. | |||
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delicately calloused |
I don't know how you officers do it..... I try to imagine having to perform in such an event and then doing it again the next day. That kind of intensity would make old fast. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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| Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
If I am in a stop them at any cost now mode, I'm armed with a deadly weapon people either forget about or discount. The police cruiser. Ramming, as in not a PIT, is an option I'd seriously consider. There was an opportunity at 3:44. I'm belted in, and have airbags. They may have airbags, but I doubt they are belted in. I might get injured or even killed in the ensuing crash, but I might get hurt or killed by the criminals shooting at me. Yes, it means driving into people shooting at me (which is happening in either case), but I saw nothing indicating the cruiser was hit by any rounds from the criminals. And it means that my shots, for which I am 100% accountable, aren't flying willy-nilly in an urban area. That, for me, is a major consideration. Is there a significantly greater risk in ramming? I doubt it, since the cruiser is already barreling though traffic, blowing lights and driving in the oncoming lanes. The officer could have hit or been hit (more likely) some random stranger. And I know a guy who used his car as a deadly weapon, running over a carjacker who stood in the road with a pistol. Bobby didn't hesitate, He floored it. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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| Team Apathy |
I agree that it was high risk... but I don't agree that it was low reward. In fact, we don't know what the reward was and never will. We don't know what they had intended to do or what they might have done had the situation not been ended. I suspect, and I think the video supports this, that the shots fired through the side window were far more effective than the windshield shots... Not passing judgement on whether those windshield shots should have been done or not either, just an observation about the apparent effectivness of the side window shots. But the vehicle stopped moving after the volley of fire from the weapon hand through the drive side window. As far as the reload... while it is likely he's practiced drawing and shooting from inside the vehicle (or at least simulated) its just as likely he hasn't practiced reloading from one while attempting to egress at the same time. Could it have been better? No doubt. In the end, he stayed behind concealment until he got it done and then continued. I can't fault him. | |||
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Brings back another video of shooting: this time a rifle from patrol car during a pursuit. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p47ONDlR9aY | |||
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| Just for the hell of it  |
How many police officers are carrying full auto rifles? Pretty sure I heard some full auto in that video. _____________________________________ Because in the end, you won’t remember the time you spent working in the office or mowing your lawn. Climb that goddamn mountain. Jack Kerouac | |||
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| Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
At the end there is FA fire. Now this example, I'm less concerned about stray rounds. It looked fairly rural, and at night so there was far less potential for stray shots hurting s bystander. Here, shooting through the windscreen is a reasonable option, albeit not one completely without risk. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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