Go | New | Find | Notify | Tools | Reply | |
אַרְיֵה |
Those who write it think that they are correct. Those who read it think that it is correct -- after all, it was published. Around and around we go, the problem is self-perpetuating. Chicken or egg, which came first? הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | |||
|
Happily Retired |
That was intense. I don't care how much these officers get paid...it ain't enough. .....never marry a woman who is mean to your waitress. | |||
|
Unflappable Enginerd |
I kept raising my head while looking at my monitor trying to see over the dash.  Great job! __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
|
Now in Florida |
Brings to mind the saying "you are responsible for every bullet you fire" I am curious where all those bullets went. Seems like some high-risk, low probability shooting from the car. | |||
|
| Member |
Most law enforcement shootings are "high risk, low probability" events. Adding a windshield to the mix is no different. Agencies with good training will incorporate drawing and firing from within a vehicle as well as where to put rounds on a vehicle in order to penetrate the passenger compartment. Chuck Life's tough...tougher if you're stupid (AKA "cwr" on SIGforum [email account issues]) | |||
|
Frangas non Flectes |
They had already murdered one guy and were cranking off rounds at that officer from much, much greater distances earlier in the video, and with more people around at the time. The officer saw his window, took it, closed the distance on those guys and put rounds into them. That fight needed to end quick, and it needed to end about like it did, or we would’ve seen someone else get killed. In the last thread, we had a couple of members who weren’t LEO’s trying to apply all the rules of the range to the gunfight through the windshield. Worded similarly, even. ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
|
Member |
Watching his reload gave me chills. Thank God he got it home and re-engaged the tools. Reminds me of a story my grandpa used to tell me about an experience in Vietnam. He had been in country for a long time. 2nd Tour for him. He was in a pretty heated firefight and had taken a 20 round mag and slammed it in so hard it seated upside down. Used to tell me no matter how hard you train or how experienced you are, you can have a snafu when bullets are flying at your head. | |||
|
| Go ahead punk, make my day |
Yeah, it sucked to see him stop the car, get out with an empty weapon and almost attempt to load the Glock "HK Style". But he stayed in the fight and got it done. Bravo. | |||
|
| Frangas non Flectes |
Willing to bet that officer will be doing plenty of reload drills off the clock for quite some time to come. That part was hard to watch. When he got it back in play, I just about heaved a sigh of relief because I thought I was about to see one of the shooters exit the car and tag him while his gun was empty. ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
|
| I will fear no evil.. Psalm 23:4 |
Just another day at the office right? That was truly hardcore. He was old timer to, looked like 4 hashmarks on his sleeve, 20 years. I know if a Cop did that in NJ he would be arrested and fired. I love the West! | |||
|
| You're going to feel a little pressure... |
Do not run from Metro. Do not shoot at Metro. They will not quit. End of lesson. Bruce "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with." -Douglas Adams “It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free." -Niccolo Machiavelli The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. -Mencken | |||
|
| hello darkness my old friend  |
Was it Oswald Boelcke who said "fill you windscreen with airplane and then get closer" when deciding to fire in air to air combat? Officer seems to have taken this idea to heart. | |||
|
| Member |
That was intense, the hair on my neck was standing up. Asshole finally crashed into a school. I was reading comments on another site and someone said "a locked door prevented something the gun free school zone sign could not". I dont want to imagine what happened if he got inside that school. | |||
|
Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
And how would people think about the officer's actions if he killed your child sitting next to you while shooting from a moving car? Or if he killed an uninvolved driver who lost control and rammed a gaggle of kids on a street corner? Yes, the murderers were shooting at him, but there was an air unit on the way that could safely track them to a place where a less hazardous means of ventilating the criminals was available. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
|
quarter MOA visionary |
Glad it was a happy ending but the risk for collateral damage was enormous. Not so sure it was a wise decision. | |||
|
| Move Up or Move Over |
It is incredibly high risk/ low reward. I've done training where we shot through a windshield at a stationary and remotely moved target. The car was an immobile junker and it is very hard to score hits. In my opinion shooting through the windshield of a moving car at another moving car is incredibly risky and not very productive. Shooting with your offhand stuck out of the window is even worse. It appears to have worked out this time but I will bet there are bullet holes somewhere that fortunately didn't hit anyone. The thing I hate is with all these cameras some other officer with less skills or worse luck is going to think it is ok to shoot like this. In the end I'm glad the officer is ok and the threat was neutralized. I would be curious to know what the results of his debrief was. Mark | |||
|
| Frangas non Flectes |
Just to clarify, should these "feelings" be any different than if my child were killed while sitting next to me by the guys shooting at the cops?
Again, should these feelings be different if the murderers rammed a gaggle of kids on the street?
There was an air unit he requested, I don't recall hearing if it was confirmed it was on the way or not, but I can watch the video again and carefully listen. What if the air unit didn't get there in time, and instead, they managed to get to some place where they could take hostages? We can play "what if" and "shoulda, woulda, coulda" all day, trying to come up with reasons he shouldn't have shot at them. You can just come right out and say you don't approve of it, and we can just disagree. We're all really focused on this one officer's bodycam footage and actions. But how many other units did we see in that footage that had already joined the pursuit? They were going to chase and corner those guys wherever they went, and some shit was going to go down. I didn't hear dispatch getting on the radio to call off the half dozen units or better we saw in the video so that the air unit could take up the chase. ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
|
| Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
I asked what they would THINK not what they would feel. Thinking and feeling are not the same thing. The officer's actions are on a risk continuum from low risk to stupid out-of-control risk. That this worked out okay is but one possible outcome. There is an equally valid infinite number of outcomes that would have people screaming for the officer's head. My take is his actions bordered on reckless, but were made acceptable only by the outcome. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
|
| quarter MOA visionary |
Most all agree with the outcome however it does not diminish the fact it was reckless and had a huge potential for bad results. It doesn't mean it was the right (or wrong) decision. It's just good that the results were positive. I don't think we need to whack his pee-pee and we don't need to give him a pat on the back either. | |||
|
| Do No Harm, Do Know Harm |
I believe that we should be rigged with a missile, and if someone runs from us we should be able to blow them up. I'm not sure what I'd do if they were shooting at me. I'd damn sure ram them off the road the very first chance I got, and take it from there. If I can shoot at them, I can ram them. Shooting through a windshield is not completely worthless, but it is about as close as you can come to it. Knowing what one is talking about is widely admired but not strictly required here. Although sometimes distracting, there is often a certain entertainment value to this easy standard. -JALLEN "All I need is a WAR ON DRUGS reference and I got myself a police thread BINGO." -jljones | |||
|
| Powered by Social Strata | Page 1 2 3 4 |
 | Please Wait. Your request is being processed... |
|
© SIGforum 2024