Other than Shapiro really being into masterbation, what exactly happened in that video.

OK..you all realize that those are cut/paste videos that are not the actually conversations, right?
Being pretty familiar with what Peterson ACTUALLY says, I find those last two videos hilarious! But I do worry that people might think that is a real conversation.

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Freedom loving individuals with this attitude of “you can’t make me” cause these problems.

J Allen I am surprised to see you write something like that.

It is not the freedom living individual who causes the problem.

Instead it is always the statist who wants the power of the state to force the freedom-loving individual to do something against their will.

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
Freedom loving individuals with this attitude of “you can’t make me” cause these problems.

J Allen I am surprised to see you write something like that.

It is not the freedom living individual who causes the problem.

Instead it is always the statist who wants the power of the state to force the freedom-loving individual to do something against their will.

Why would you chose to be surprised rather than thinking, “Woweee! JALLEN sure has a clever way with sarcasm to make a point.”

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Originally posted by JALLEN:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
Freedom loving individuals with this attitude of “you can’t make me” cause these problems.

J Allen I am surprised to see you write something like that.

It is not the freedom living individual who causes the problem.

Instead it is always the statist who wants the power of the state to force the freedom-loving individual to do something against their will.

Why would you chose to be surprised rather than thinking, “Woweee! JALLEN sure has a clever way with sarcasm to make a point.”

Only because the sarcasm you typically use is subtle. That's what makes it so effective. The statement I referenced had, to me, the subtlety of Ex-Lax in the rations of a bathyscaphe crew.

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OK..you all realize that those are cut/paste videos that are not the actually conversations, right?
Being pretty familiar with what Peterson ACTUALLY says, I find those last two videos hilarious! But I do worry that people might think that is a real conversation.

Wait. You mean JP and Shapiro aren't really going to play house, which Shapiro being the dog, naked and masturbating, mating with ovulating chimpanzees, year after year?

Here is a superb, short video-- 15 minutes. I made my very intelligent, very high-achieving daughter watch, and I wish every young woman-- and young man-- could see this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU7AewaHr0Q

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Here is a superb, short video-- 15 minutes. I made my very intelligent, very high-achieving daughter watch, and I wish every young woman-- and young man-- could see this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU7AewaHr0Q

Who is the beard in the blue shirt sitting next to him?

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Originally posted by justjoe:
Here is a superb, short video-- 15 minutes. I made my very intelligent, very high-achieving daughter watch, and I wish every young woman-- and young man-- could see this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU7AewaHr0Q

Go to 1:44 of the his interview with Joe Rogan and he covers the exact topic, with the exact talking points.

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Who is the beard in the blue shirt sitting next to him?

Dr. Oren Amitay

College Socialists Seek To Block Jordan Peterson From Speaking In San Antonio

Federalist
Jacob Perry

An online petition has been started with the intent of blocking Internet sensation Jordan Peterson from speaking at an event scheduled for 7:30 p.m. October 10, at the Tobin Center for Performing Arts in downtown San Antonio.

The petition describes Peterson has “one of the most vocal and divisive anti-LGBTQ individuals in North America” who “makes a living promoting conversion therapy and spreading lies about transgender people.” The petition demands that the Tobin Center cancel the event and “commit to scheduling programming that does not discriminate against people on the basis of an individual’s race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, veteran status, disability, familial status, national origin or age.”

While Peterson, a Canadian professor, is no stranger to controversy, he has never shown any inclination towards supporting or promoting gay conversion therapy. In fact, as a clinical psychologist he seems to have significant reservations about such types of purported medical practices, saying “Do not try to rescue someone who does not want to be rescued.”

That hasn’t stopped Ashley Smith, the organizer of the petition drive circulating on Change.org. Smith is a transgender San Antonio LBGTQ activist. Smith’s main claim to fame is trolling Texas Gov. Greg Abbott with a year-old Facebook post of a picture of Smith with Abbott. The post was captioned “#Bathroombuddy” and protested Abbott’s proposed “bathroom bill” that requires government offices to preserve single-sex private facilities.

When asked by the San Antonio Current about Smith’s petition to block Peterson from speaking, Smith argued Peterson’s ideas are “very harmful to our city” and should not be given a taxpayer-subsidized platform, like the Tobin Center. However, the managers over at the Tobin Center appear to disagree. They billed Peterson’s scheduled appearance as “a one-of-a-kind uplifting lecture, where he discusses overcoming life’s biggest obstacles [and] how to improve oneself…”

Smith’s initiative has been endorsed by the University of Texas, San Antonio chapter of the Young Democratic Socialists of America, which tweeted a link to the petition along with the caption “No platform for transphobes.”

Before 2016, Peterson was a mild-mannered, non-notorious psychology professor at the University of Toronto. His meteoric rise into the public spotlight was largely propelled by his opposition to Bill C-16, an amendment to the Ontario Human Rights Code that included gender identity and gender expression to anti-discrimination laws.

Under the provisions of the law, failing to address someone by his or her preferred pronoun would be considered hate speech and could result in litigation. However, the grounds for Peterson’s opposition wasn’t the transgender issue per se. He opposed government forcing citizens to use certain words, saying this violates the principle of free speech.

Since then, Peterson has become a massively popular public intellectual and member of the enigmatic Intellectual Dark Web. Lately, he’s been filling lecture halls and auditoriums across the country to expound on his philosophical views and promote his new book, “12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos.”

According to Campus Reform, one member of the socialist group said, “Peterson uses his platform to reinforce transphobia and gender essentialism historically and in the present moment. Those have informed government policy and cultural attitudes that enact structural and interpersonal violence against, well, really everyone in our society, but especially the people who are least able to defend themselves. Peterson is either clever enough to see this for himself (and thus malicious) or else not (and thus a fraud).”

Several Twitters users recognized inaccuracies in the petition and took to the comments section to point them out. Many demanded citations or sources of any instance in which the Canadian professor promoted conversion therapy. None were provided.

One user compared the group to “thought police” before adding, “Let us judge his ideas on their merits.” Others used irony and sarcasm to chide the socialist efforts, saying things like “LOL. How dare you have a dissenting thought!” and “Hahahaha, you don’t like JP [Jordan Peterson] so you lie about his positions to promote censorship. At least you are staying on brand for socialists.” Another user quipped, “Peterson does preach conversion therapy. It is no easy task converting neo Marxist sheep into free thinking individuals.”

The petition to block Peterson from speaking, which currently has 856 signatures, can be found here. Tickets to Peterson’s Oct. 10 lecture can be found here.

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I like Jordan Peterson and haven't been able to understand why he evokes such a strong resistance from the Left. Here's a quote I picked up in the WSJ which was a reprint from Atlantic:

Aug. 10, 2018 5:16 p.m. ET
Caitlin Flanagan writing at the Atlantic’s website, Aug. 9:

There are plenty of reasons for individual readers to dislike Jordan Peterson. . . . There are many legitimate reasons to disagree with him on a number of subjects, and many people of good will do. But there is no coherent reason for the left’s obliterating and irrational hatred of Jordan Peterson. What, then, accounts for it?

It is because the left, while it currently seems ascendant in our houses of culture and art, has in fact entered its decadent late phase, and it is deeply vulnerable. The left is afraid not of Peterson, but of the ideas he promotes, which are completely inconsistent with identity politics of any kind.

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Originally posted by Wasabibill:
I like Jordan Peterson and haven't been able to understand why he evokes such a strong resistance from the Left. Here's a quote I picked up in the WSJ which was a reprint from Atlantic:

Aug. 10, 2018 5:16 p.m. ET
Caitlin Flanagan writing at the Atlantic’s website, Aug. 9:

There are plenty of reasons for individual readers to dislike Jordan Peterson. . . . There are many legitimate reasons to disagree with him on a number of subjects, and many people of good will do. But there is no coherent reason for the left’s obliterating and irrational hatred of Jordan Peterson. What, then, accounts for it?

It is because the left, while it currently seems ascendant in our houses of culture and art, has in fact entered its decadent late phase, and it is deeply vulnerable. The left is afraid not of Peterson, but of the ideas he promotes, which are completely inconsistent with identity politics of any kind.

I posted the entire article yesterday.

https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...800095544#6800095544

Jordan Peterson: Zen Master?

Interesting title to give him. In that someone who Peterson frequently debates-Sam Harris-has logged in thousands of hours of formal meditation practice whereas I doubt that Peterson has sat for even one hour on a zafu, chair or what have you.

Don't get me wrong, I've got Peterson's 12 Rules book, have been listening/watching him on YouTube since late 2016 and in May saw him and Sam Harris debate up in Vancouver BC.

Back to meditation and Peterson. IMO, if Peterson started a regular meditation practice in a few years or so he(and most everyone else who seriously practices) would begin to experience a loosening of the strong identification with the self, which we all have to various degrees and keeps us, say, in a Zen sense, ignorant, asleep(the Buddha means "the Awaken One")and on the suffering treadmill.

This is not pie-in-the-sky, New Age crap, hippie-dippie shit or something that only evolved, special people like or Zen monks or Buddhist can to(take it from me, if I can do it, anyone can!).

And you don't have to be a Buddhist to do it(I'm not). The aforementioned Sam Harris, who's been meditating since the 80s and received meditation instruction from some of the most renown teachers in the world calls himself an atheist and is vary wary of all religious dogma.

Harris also owns firearms and has taken courses from Scott Reitz, firearms instructor and 30 year veteran of the LAPD, on using them to defend himself and his family .

Anyway, I wish Peterson would start to practice also. If he did, perhaps he and Sam wouldn't argue so much. As opposition members to the INSIDIOUS, DEMONIC left they need to patch over their differences and put on a more united front, as do the rest of the squabbling right, conservatives, patriots. United we stand, divided we fall-simple as that.

[BTW-am not a Sam Harris fanboy or to anyone else. He hates Trump and identifies as a liberal-which sucks-but he still has a lot of good stuff to say and has some interesting people on his podcast.

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Jordan Peterson: Zen Master?

Interesting title to give him.

Thank you

An article I would never expect from The Atlantic.

https://www.theatlantic.com/po...dan-peterson/567110/

Why the Left Is So Afraid of Jordan Peterson

The Canadian psychology professor’s stardom is evidence that leftism is on the decline—and deeply vulnerable.
Caitlin Flanagan
Aug 9, 2018


Two years ago, I walked downstairs and saw one of my teenage sons watching a strange YouTube video on the television.

“What is that?” I asked.

He turned to me earnestly and explained, “It’s a psychology professor at the University of Toronto talking about Canadian law.”

“Huh?” I said, but he had already turned back to the screen. I figured he had finally gotten to the end of the internet, and this was the very last thing on it.

That night, my son tried to explain the thing to me, but it was a buzzing in my ear, and I wanted to talk about something more interesting. It didn’t matter; it turned out a number of his friends—all of them like him: progressive Democrats, with the full range of social positions you would expect of adolescents growing up in liberal households in blue-bubble Los Angeles—had watched the video as well, and they talked about it to one another.

The boys graduated from high school and went off to colleges where they were exposed to the kind of policed discourse that dominates American campuses. They did not make waves; they did not confront the students who were raging about cultural appropriation and violent speech; in fact, they forged close friendships with many of them. They studied and wrote essays and—in their dorm rooms, on the bus to away games, while they were working out—began listening to more and more podcasts and lectures by this man, Jordan Peterson.

The young men voted for Hillary, they called home in shock when Trump won, they talked about flipping the House, and they followed Peterson to other podcasts—to Sam Harris and Dave Rubin and Joe Rogan. What they were getting from these lectures and discussions, often lengthy and often on arcane subjects, was perhaps the only sustained argument against identity politics they had heard in their lives.

That might seem like a small thing, but it’s not. With identity politics off the table, it was possible to talk about all kinds of things—religion, philosophy, history, myth—in a different way. They could have a direct experience with ideas, not one mediated by ideology. All of these young people, without quite realizing it, were joining a huge group of American college students who were pursuing a parallel curriculum, right under the noses of the people who were delivering their official educations.

Because all of this was happening silently, called down from satellites and poured in through earbuds—and not on campus free-speech zones where it could be monitored, shouted down, and reported to the appropriate authorities—the left was late in realizing what an enormous problem it was becoming for it. It was like the 1960s, when kids were getting radicalized before their parents realized they’d quit glee club. And it was not just college students. Not by a long shot.

Around the country, all sorts of people were listening to these podcasts. Joe Rogan’s sui generis show, with its surpassingly eclectic mix of guests and subjects, was a frequent locus of Peterson’s ideas, whether advanced by the man himself, or by the thinkers with whom he is loosely affiliated. Rogan’s podcast is downloaded many millions of times each month. Whatever was happening, it was happening on a scale and with a rapidity that was beyond the ability of the traditional culture keepers to grasp. When the left finally realized what was happening, all it could do was try to bail out the Pacific Ocean with a spoon.

The alarms sounded when Peterson published what quickly became a massive bestseller, 12 Rules for Life, because books are something that the left recognizes as drivers of culture. The book became the occasion for vicious profiles and editorials, but it was difficult to attack the work on ideological grounds, because it was an apolitical self-help book that was at once more literary and more helpful than most, and that was moreover a commercial success. All of this frustrated the critics. It’s just common sense! they would say, in one arch way or another, and that in itself was telling: Why were they so angry about common sense?

The critics knew the book was a bestseller, but they couldn’t really grasp its reach because people like them weren’t reading it, and because it did not originally appear on The New York Times’s list, as it was first published in Canada. However, it is often the bestselling nonfiction book on Amazon, and—perhaps more important—its audiobook has been a massive seller. As with Peterson’s podcasts and videos, the audience is made up of people who are busy with their lives—folding laundry, driving commercial trucks on long hauls, sitting in traffic from cubicle to home, exercising. This book was putting words to deeply held feelings that many of them had not been able to express before.

It’s hard to think of a best-selling self-help book whose author has not appeared on the classic morning shows; these programs—Today and Good Morning America and CBS This Morning—are almost entirely devoted to the subject of self-help. But the producers did their part, and Peterson did not go to their studios to sit among the lifestyle celebrities and talk for a few minutes about the psychological benefits of simple interventions in one’s daily life. This should have stopped progress, except Peterson was by then engaged in something that can only be compared to a conventional book tour if conventional book tours routinely put authors in front of live audiences well in excess of 2,500 people, in addition to the untold millions more listening to podcasts and watching videos. (Videos on Peterson’s YouTube channel have been viewed, overall, tens of millions of times.) It seemed that the book did not need the anointing oils of the Today show.

The left has an obvious and pressing need to unperson him; what he and the other members of the so-called “intellectual dark web” are offering is kryptonite to identity politics. There is an eagerness to attach reputation-destroying ideas to him, such as that he is a supporter of something called “enforced monogamy,” an anthropological concept referring to the social pressures that exist in certain cultures that serve to encourage marriage. He mentioned the term during a wide-ranging interview with a New York Times reporter, which led to the endlessly repeated falsehood that he believes that the government should be in the business of arranging marriages. There is also the inaccurate belief that he refuses to refer to transgender people by the gendered pronoun conforming to their identity. What he refuses to do is to abide by any laws that could require compelled speech.

There are plenty of reasons for individual readers to dislike Jordan Peterson. He’s a Jungian and that isn’t your cup of tea; he is, by his own admission, a very serious person and you think he should lighten up now and then; you find him boring; you’re not interested in either identity politics or in the arguments against it. There are many legitimate reasons to disagree with him on a number of subjects, and many people of good will do. But there is no coherent reason for the left’s obliterating and irrational hatred of Jordan Peterson. What, then, accounts for it?

It is because the left, while it currently seems ascendant in our houses of culture and art, has in fact entered its decadent late phase, and it is deeply vulnerable. The left is afraid not of Peterson, but of the ideas he promotes, which are completely inconsistent with identity politics of any kind. When the poetry editors of The Nation virtuously publish an amateurish but super-woke poem, only to discover that the poem stumbled across several trip wires of political correctness; when these editors (one of them a full professor in the Harvard English department) then jointly write a letter oozing bathos and career anxiety and begging forgiveness from their critics; when the poet himself publishes a statement of his own—a missive falling somewhere between an apology, a Hail Mary pass, and a suicide note; and when all of this is accepted in the houses of the holy as one of the regrettable but minor incidents that take place along the path toward greater justice, something is dying.

When the top man at The New York Times publishes a sober statement about a meeting he had with the president in which he describes instructing Trump about the problem of his “deeply troubling anti-press rhetoric,” and then three days later the paper announces that it has hired a writer who has tweeted about her hatred of white people, of Republicans, of cops, of the president, of the need to stop certain female writers and journalists from “existing,” and when this new hire will not be a beat reporter, but will sit on the paper’s editorial board—having a hand in shaping the opinions the paper presents to the world—then it is no mystery that a parallel culture of ideas has emerged to replace a corrupted system. When even Barack Obama, the poet laureate of identity politics, is moved to issue a message to the faithful, hinting that that they could be tipping their hand on all of this—saying during a speech he delivered in South Africa that a culture is at a dead end when it decides someone has no “standing to speak” if he is a white man—and when even this mayday is ignored, the doomsday clock ticks ever closer to the end.

In the midst of this death rattle has come a group of thinkers, Peterson foremost among them, offering an alternative means of understanding the world to a very large group of people who have been starved for one. His audience is huge and ever more diverse, but a significant number of his fans are white men. The automatic assumption of the left is that this is therefore a red-pilled army, but the opposite is true. The alt-right venerates identity politics just as fervently as the left, as the title of a recent essay reproduced on the alt-right website Counter-Currents reveals: “Jordan Peterson’s Rejection of Identity Politics Allows White Ethnocide.”

If you think that a backlash to the kind of philosophy that resulted in The Nation’s poetry implosion; the Times’ hire; and Obama’s distress call isn’t at least partly responsible for the election of Donald Trump, you’re dreaming. And if you think the only kind of people who would reject such madness are Republicans, you are similarly deluded. All across the country, there are people as repelled by the current White House as they are by the countless and increasingly baroque expressions of identity politics that dominate so much of the culture. These are people who aren’t looking for an ideology; they are looking for ideas. And many of them are getting much better at discerning the good from the bad. The Democratic Party reviles them at its peril; the Republican Party takes them for granted in folly.

Perhaps, then, the most dangerous piece of “common sense” in Peterson’s new book comes at the very beginning, when he imparts the essential piece of wisdom for anyone interested in fighting a powerful, existing order. “Stand up straight,” begins Rule No. 1, “with your shoulders back.”

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Back to meditation and Peterson. IMO, if Peterson started a regular meditation practice in a few years or so he(and most everyone else who seriously practices) would begin to experience a loosening of the strong identification with the self, which we all have to various degrees and keeps us, say, in a Zen sense, ignorant, asleep(the Buddha means "the Awaken One")and on the suffering treadmill.

This is not pie-in-the-sky, New Age crap, hippie-dippie shit or something that only evolved, special people like or Zen monks or Buddhist can to(take it from me, if I can do it, anyone can!).

That is true. I have been practicing Transcendental Meditation since 1970, and, in time, not only does the self "loosen," it expands to a shared larger Self. This is not a belief, it's an experience. It's the difference between being told honey is sweet, but never tasting it, and having a spoon of honey in your mouth. Now you don't believe honey is sweet, you know honey is sweet.

Third time the charm, I guess.

That article was posted a few days ago, as I reminded above.

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It's the difference between being told honey is sweet, but never tasting it, and having a spoon of honey in your mouth. Now you don't believe honey is sweet, you know honey is sweet.

I completely respect anyone who derives any perceived benefit from meditation.
But all my efforts at meditation have induced a state that is so similar to "sleep" that I now just call it "taking a nap". I do feel a lot calmer and clear-headed after my sessions!

I think Peterson is called a "Zen Master" in a loose definition of "someone who can create insights and deflect conflicts with great skill and wisdom", rather than as someone who is actually a practitioner of Zen Buddhism.

I'm genuinely shocked that Joe Rogan is surprised by the tactics of the left.

I'd love someone to interview him to see how his perceptions and politics have changed since he started doing this blog.