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Some people are claiming that Peterson keeps getting ambushed in interviews like this. I think he knows exactly what he's getting into and he's intentionally doing battle with these leftist media types to reach a wide audience and demonstrate how wrong and foolish they are. He knows what he's saying will resonate with a lot of people who simply haven't been exposed via the media and universities to the level of thought and reason he's offering. It's the Ben Shapiro rule of when to engage, i.e., it's worth it to engage an opponent when there's a big enough audience and you know you can win in the eyes of many of them. He regularly tweets links to negative articles about himself, too. It seems self destructive, but he knows there are plenty of people who follow him who have a much better understanding of who he is and what he believes; they can spot the ignorance and the BS in the articles, which only reinforces their belief in him being a good man with legitimate concerns about the left's slide away from individual responsibility and liberty and too collectivism. | |||
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Here's the full interview Para posted an exceprt from: Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QRQjrsFnR4 This is another one where that perfectly demonstrates the kind of leftwing ideologues Peterson is trying to dethrone from there place in Western society. Take a couple of blood-pressure pills before listening: Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCnbzIkV_5M | |||
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JBP on behalf of PragerU, on our education systems: Link to original video: https://youtu.be/LquIQisaZFU | |||
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Spot on.This message has been edited. Last edited by: parabellum, | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
For those who are not able to attend a 12 Rules to Live By lecture by Jordan Peterson, someone has taken the trouble to provode a video of the lecture last month in San Francisco. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bL3YoOPzwZo Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Wife and I attended the Atlanta event a couple of days ago. We had a great time. We were surprised at the number of women that were there. He did the rules about kids (5&10?)and we laughed our asses off. | |||
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Glad to see Dr. Peterson fighting back.
http://nationalpost.com/news/p...44-9a79-3f9e116a42d8 ...let him who has no sword sell his robe and buy one. Luke 22:35-36 NAV "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves." Matthew 10:16 NASV | |||
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^^^ Maybe the suit has a chance in Canada. I can't imagine it would in the US. I'm skeptical JBP really thinks people/organizations should be prosecuted for scurrilous claims made in private. My guess is he's just saying "if y'all mofos want a war over speech, I'll play. Slander me to your students at your own peril." | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
It’s a civil suit, no prosecution in the criminal sense. Slander suits are often unstable, careening off in unpredictable directions. Too, the goal is not always necessarily a large money judgment. Proving the negative statements is usually pretty easy but opinions are generally OK, there are a variety of partial defenses, privileges due to relationships between speaker and listeners, and of course, truth which is a complete defense. Often the plaintiff worsens his situation by bringing suit, giving the slander more publicity. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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You don’t fix faith, River. It fixes you. |
I love the part @ 52min where JP says essentially "you can't get under the Fundamental Archetypes. and still remain human." And she turns right around says "yeah, but why can't she be an Evil King instead of an Evil Queen?" ... "It seems like your work is about re-asserting difference at time when we are being told everything is the same." JP's response is so great ... "Well that's just STUPID!" So Awesome!! ---------------------------------- "If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.." - Thomas Sowell | |||
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My God! Going to the Aspen Festival and being interviewed by a chickee from the NYT is really taking your battle to the heart of the enemy. The likelihood that J. Pederson has more than a half dozen supporters at Aspen is vanishingly small. To stay cool under those circumstances, as he did, is superhuman. I cannot imagine why the progressive/liberal establishment keeps trying. It says something about their hubris. | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
In perusing the web, having viewed and enjoyed quite a few Peterson lectures, I ran across this.
It’s a lengthy critique of Dr. Peterson, written by a former colleague and friend, appearing in what I think is a newspaper article. Link What do you think? Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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The article appears to be all opinion and innuendo with no facts presented to support the critique. While I can appreciate that some folks may be worried that Peterson could go all "L. Ron Hubbard" and start his own version of Scientology, I truthfully can't see it given his apparent (at least to me) underlying message of being what you are. It could be that an old friend is just seeing his colleague drifting away and becoming famous and he is subconsciously rationalizing the loss. Who knows. Ken | |||
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Frangas non Flectes |
Between the author having a serious problem with Peterson’s position on compelled speech about trans people, and then cuasually dropping the nugget about having a “trans daughter” and the following tidbit, I would say I gleaned most what am needed to know about his objections. In fact, I’ll quote the following, which is where I stopped reading:
You have to take the thing as a whole. You can’t get mad about someone saying Marxism is murderous when it has historically ended with wholesale slaughter of innocent people. Then it’s the Inquisition, and The Crusades. You’ll forgive me if I couldn’t hang on for the “literally Hitler” I felt coming on in this next paragraph. In summary, I think it’s a bunch of sobbing panty-wadding from a God Damn Commie. Edit - Bolded and italicized the part that needed it.This message has been edited. Last edited by: P220 Smudge, ______________________________________________ Carthago delenda est | |||
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What seems to have triggered Bernard Schiff is that Peterson refused to use "gender neutral" pronouns, or to coddle the transgenders in other ways-- and Schiff's daughter is transgender. That is not hitting close to home, that is hitting home right in the crosshairs. Later in the article he expresses similar anger at Peterson for not toeing the line on other leftist issues. Overall, it seems he supported Peterson when it looked like Peterson would be a gadfly, an interesting and ultimately harmless irritant in politically correct academia. That should make for some good, collegial sparring, eh! Then it turned out that Peterson morphed from a gadfly to Godzilla-- and he stomped the leftist twits. Mopped the floor with them. No one is perfect, and Peterson sometimes seems to me like he is wound a bit too tight. Some photos of him reminded me of someone...made me vaguely uncomfortable... but I couldn't place who it was.... Then one day I had it: Hannibal Lecter. I learned from Trump to pay much less attention to the personality than to the agenda. If there is a single lesson in the first Trump thread-- something repeated over and over from the "assclown" beginning to the end-- it is that Trump is the man for the job, not even despite his faults, but because of his faults. It is a rude man who responds to his critics with a "Fuck you!" But that is exactly what the PC tyrants needed to hear. So Peterson has an ego? He has a "mission"? Great. Go get 'em, Jordan! He is brilliant and fearless, and the best thing that has happened to academia in my lifetime. ______________________________________________________ "You get much farther with a kind word and a gun than with a kind word alone." | |||
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Frangas non Flectes |
Live stream of the Rubin report with Eric Weinstein, Jordan Peterson with Ben Shapiro joining soon. ______________________________________________ Carthago delenda est | |||
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As I understand it he never refused to call anyone by a preferred pronoun, he openly opposed a law which required him to do so (compelled speech). Given all the attention he has received I think it's notable that no transgender person has claimed otherwise. | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
As I understand it, he isn’t opposed to accommodating someone, if he choses to, but refuses to be compelled against his will. Freedom loving individuals with this attitude of “you can’t make me” cause these problems. The collective always requires compulsion, no choice or only the allowed choices. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Yes, it's government compulsion that he's most vehemently opposed to. In the "Aspen Ideas" video above, during the Q & A session, he said in so many words he'd take each interaction case by case as to whether or not he'd use an out-of-the-ordinary pronoun, based on his assessment of the sincerity of the person making the request. | |||
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