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I have been tasked with research on a work project outside of my area of expertise- Crowd Control Management. My googlefu is weak and when I type in various search parameters I get a bunch of articles on the subject, but not much meat. Can anyone point me in the right direction of a source of reputable training in the crowd/riot control arena? Particularly in the areas of crowd psychology and winning strategies to keep down use of force through using said strategies? This is an area way outside of my lane and any help or guidance, or even a contact with a knowledgeable vendor would be much appreciated. I've hit the usual suspects at FLETC, and RCDTC and am not seeing much. | ||
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Not in law enforcement, but I'm curious why there's a hands off approach until things get completely out of control. Also why "protesters" are not disarmed prior to events? A no shields, helmets, masks, bats, chains, knives rule seems like a good idea. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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I am guessing that your State police Academy would be a good source of current riot control training. I would give them a call. They should have a manual or course syllabus. End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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I seem to have lost your email. Shoot me one. Strive to live your life so when you wake up in the morning and your feet hit the floor, the devil says "Oh crap, he's up." | |||
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| Sigforum K9 handler |
Calls already made to KSP and DOCJT. Not a lot of help in these specific areas. But thanks just the same! | |||
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| Sigforum K9 handler |
Great question. We are already trained in the areas of crowd control. Not all crowd control stuff is what you see with Antifa. | |||
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| Sigforum K9 handler |
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So fire breathing dragons are out? | |||
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Festina Lente |
Army has doctrine for bout everything. goes into a bit on psychology of the crowd and tactics... http://www.apd.army.mil/epubs/...f/web/atp3_39x33.pdf NRA Life Member - "Fear God and Dreadnaught" | |||
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I Wanna Missile |
Your state's national guard headquarters should have a "military assistance to civil authority" section. They can provide you with all sorts of stuff, or should. Civil unrest is one of the 3 major areas they should be focused on... that, natural disaster relief and NBC/ HAZMAT assistance. "I am a Soldier. I fight where I'm told and I win where I fight." GEN George S. Patton, Jr. | |||
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I'd be very interested to learn what the "state of the art" is for dealing with the current Anarchist/Antifa strategy of infiltrating a crowd of protestors, running to the front and assaulting police, and running away while the people who came to exercise free speech get the police response right in the kisser. It reminds me of the Viet Cong guerilla tactic of infiltrating a peaceful village, firing at the US soldiers, and then melting back into the jungle while the airstrike is being called in. It was pretty effective for turning the population against us. I see the same motivation, now: Making the cops react and turning public sentiment against them. Sounds like an interesting project. Bruce "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with." -Douglas Adams “It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free." -Niccolo Machiavelli The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. -Mencken | |||
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| I Wanna Missile |
For the most part that isn't happening. ANTIFA dresses distinctively, riots are videotaped and individual suspects are identified and arrested. These tactics aren't new. They've been used as long as humans have existed. "I am a Soldier. I fight where I'm told and I win where I fight." GEN George S. Patton, Jr. | |||
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| You're going to feel a little pressure... |
While they may be having luck arresting these creeps in the aftermath, the tear gas gets everyone in the meantime, most of whom have done nothing but stand there with stupid slogans on poster board. It makes for great TV for people who want to talk about how "cops are bad". Bruce "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with." -Douglas Adams “It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free." -Niccolo Machiavelli The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. -Mencken | |||
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| Speling Champ |
You might want to look at large agencies in other states. LAPD and Las Vegas Metro would invite officers from all over to attend seminars on crowd/riot control. Don't know if that still happens. I remember from ASP's instructor course that ASP had a separate course on crowd control as well. At one time anyways. I seem to recall Monadnock had something as well. | |||
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Not Charlottesville, Raleigh, Ferguson, Baltimore, Kommiefornia, etc. | |||
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| Sigforum K9 handler |
Too soon?  | |||
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Jerry, shoot me an email, I got some great stuff for you! ______________________________________________________________________ "When its time to shoot, shoot. Dont talk!" “What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” —Author Tom Clancy | |||
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https://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-19-15.pdf The link is to the Army field manual for Civil Disturbance Control. There are probably 100 different manuals on riot control. All are pretty much the same, and all are pretty much based on troop movements deveoped by the Roman armies. My training is way out of date, there is much new equipment, I am sure, but the basics remain the same. The techniques we used in 1975 in the Army were the same we used in the prison system when I retired in '07. PM me if you have specific questions. | |||
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| Sigforum K9 handler |
Emails sent. | |||
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