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Rightfully so. Maris had 8 more chances than Ruth and only was able to get one homer over on him. As far as HR/game, that still puts Ruth as the king...unless either player didnt play in all games that season or something like that. | |||
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Well I didn’t by think it is old fuddies who put the asterisk there. Adding 8 games to the season put the asterisk there. Records don’t mean as much when you start changing parameters. That’s just a fact. | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
Congratulations to Judge. It is quite a record to break. (And you naysayers and critics can pound sand. Go poop on someone else's party.) The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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Aaron Judge's historic HR was hit in Section 31, Row 1, Seat 3. The fan is being taken by security to have the ball authenticated. It's expected to be worth at least $2 million Link "Fixed fortifications are monuments to mans stupidity" - George S. Patton | |||
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| Big Stack |
Since Judge hasn't tested positive in an age where PEDs are known and tested for, should the records of those hit more HRs in a season then him in the era when PEDs were rampant, and who were known to use them, be vacated. That would now make Judge the all time to HR hitter. | |||
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That would make sense if you were naive enough to believe that just because there is testing that means no one is taking any which we all know is false. Sosa and McGuire never tested positive either. The only reason I even brought it up was because the OP exclaimed “and he did it without PED’s” otherwise I would have congratulated him and moved on. It’s not crapping on someone’s parade it’s asking a reasonable question. Let’s see the Marris record was never even sniffed until steroids entered the program. Now the mlb quits testing blood and only tests urine (useless) because of Covid and 2 years later we have a new record from a guy who declined to extend his contract this year and is going into free agency at the end of the year. Would you do a little juice knowing for a fact that you will not get caught while testing free agency at the end of the year. It will potentially make him an extra 30-40 million over his career since he now has the home run record and could win the triple crown. Color me skeptical. I played D1 college sports and my brothers best friend is an mlb pitcher and I just don’t think most people realize how rampant PED’s are in sports in general. | |||
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Let's look at this backwards. Even without testing, other investigations, or admissions (didn't McGuire actually admit as much), have shown that McGuire, Sosa, and Bonds where taking PEDS. Is there enough that it would stand up in court if it ever went there, I don't know. But their records are significantly compromised. AFAIK Judge has complied with whatever testing regime he was faced with. He's now been in the league a few years, and, AFAIK, he's never been accused of doping. I don't think saying that because he broke the record he must be doping is a viable charge. Unless / until there are charges, and they can be substantially verified, he has to be considered clean.
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I once deposed a doctor who used to play for the Celtics and he was a friend of Bobby Binds, Barry's dad. After the depo we chatted and he said Barry was an ass and always was and that Barry was definitely juicing. That said, he said Barry needs to go into the HOF with no astericks because baseball has always been gimmicked. Height of mound was changed, games increased, huge gloves, OTC meds, length of fields changed to help home team, foul ball territory tweaked to give more outs and also steroids. After the strike MLB wanted fans back and homeruns does that. The players liked the big contracts and the union liked it that players were well paid and that gave us bigger TV contracts. Everyone benefitted from juicing. Sports is entertainment and if a player wants to juice whether it's Bonds or Judge more entertainment power to them. Juicing doesn't change hand eye coordination or swing speed. It just drives the ball farther. Purists can't claim juicing destroyed the game when MLB has changed the game over the years. | |||
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Sosa tested positive. Bonds tested positive. Sosa and McGuire admitted to juicing during that run. | |||
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Sosa didn’t test positive for the mlb. McGuire didn’t test positive but admitted it later after being under oath. The only reason Bonds tested positive is because the person injecting him told them what substance to test for. In case you guys didn’t know the mlb is not only not testing blood but quit testing for ANY steroids what so ever last year for the first time in 20 years. Look I’m not going to continue with what is obvious to me and everyone I know in the mlb so you guys can go ahead and keep on believing what you want. It doesn’t matter to me one way or the other I was just trying to point out the obvious when the OP proclaimed it was a clean record. Carry on. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story...20-years-report-says | |||
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How many did Bonds have after 154 when he hit 73? Year V | |||
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| Conservative in Nor Cal constantly swimming up stream  |
I’m a Giants fan and it was great fun watching Barry Bonds break the records. That being said here is his ball at the Hall of Fame.  ----------------------------------- Get your guns b4 the Dems take them away Sig P-229 Sig P-220 Combat | |||
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Judge has only played in 157 games this year I think he had 61 in 154 or less. I’d sell that ball as soon as possible and pocket the cash. Some sap paid 3mm for the McGuire 70 ball. Eesh. | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine |
You've said it about five times in this thread now. Did Judge insult your mother in the past? Will you eventually get tired of telling us how naive we are? The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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| I Am The Walrus |
The other thing about Bonds is that the guy is such an unlikeable asshole. Makes it very hard for people to give him the benefit of the doubt. The saddest thing about him is that I read he was projected to finish around 550 homeruns given his production pre-suspicion of steroid use. That was a hall of fame career right there. _____________ | |||
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| Irksome Whirling Dervish |
This is very true. Bonds had HOF of numbers and didn't need to juice up but, as I discussed with the doctor, Barry as a kid had an ego that came into the room long before Barry ever did and it was his ego that prompted him to juice. Sosa and McGuire were getting all the headlines and Barry wanted the limelight. All ego driven and as a long-term Giants fan, I agree that he's an asshole. | |||
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| Failing to prepare is preparing to fail.  |
If you compare the records, Judge’s 62 were hit in 157 games, 696 plate appearances and 570 at bats. Maris had 161 games, 698 plate appearances and 590 at bats. In 1961 the league ERA was 4.01 and today it is 3.88. On paper, the record by Judge is commendable for sure. ________________________ "Don't mistake activity for achievement." John Wooden, "Wooden on Leadership" | |||
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Maris hit 62, but one of them didn't count. "July 17, 1961 (Yankees-Orioles) - This game was called after 4 1/2 innings and Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris both lost dingers. This was, of course, the year that Maris broke Ruth's single-season record with 61 home runs. Just think: It could've been 62." I told someone at work today, if I was pitching to Judge, I'd have pitched underhand. "Here you go, you want it, here it is. But it will always be tainted."  | |||
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His Royal Hiney |
That is damn cruel. I like how you think... but it's still cruel. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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| I Am The Walrus |
From what I've read, that can be blamed on his father. I read that Bobby was an asshole too and made sure the rules didn't apply to his kid while on the college baseball team. I believe Willie Mays is Barry's godfather. _____________ | |||
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