Time to do some research and purchase one for the jet. The owners also want one for their lodge. Asking here for recommendations of brand, simplicity, etc. I’ve received some training, and just redid my cpr/first aid training. Not looking for the cheapest, but what you folks think are the best engineered types/bands. Thanks in advance folks!

They all pretty much do the same thing and are easy to operate...you’ll want one that has voice prompts making it easier to remember what to do while under pressure and less than ideal circumstances. I see a lot of physio control AEDs in my district but they tend to be on the pricy side...Phillips,Zoll and Defib Tech all make them too to name a few.
Keeping an eye on battery charge and replacing the pads are key...the pads will have an expiration date...they dry out and won’t conduct the electrical charge when needed which won’t do the guy on the ground needing a zap any good.

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They all pretty much do the same thing and are easy to operate...you’ll want one that has voice prompts making it easier to remember what to do while under pressure and less than ideal circumstances. I see a lot of physio control AEDs in my district but they tend to be on the pricy side...Phillips,Zoll and Defib Tech all make them too to name a few.

Keeping an eye on battery charge and replacing the pads are key...the pads will have an expiration date...they dry out and won’t conduct the electrical charge when needed which won’t do the guy on the ground needing a zap any good.

Thx, great info.

Our head company has deployed just over 7600 Lifepak AED units. 24 have been used and saved life.

Batteries and pads are replaced every 2 years. Inspect at a minimum monthly (more frequently in harsh environments).

These cost about $1600-$1700. At one point we were offered units at $1200 but I missed the opportunity.




Use is straight forward, the unit tells you what to do. Place one pad upper right and one pad lower left. Follow machine's instructions.

I think there is also gloves and a CPR mask attached.

ffips, great info, exactly the stuff I need to hear. Thx.

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Originally posted by cgode:
They all pretty much do the same thing and are easy to operate...you’ll want one that has voice prompts making it easier to remember what to do while under pressure and less than ideal circumstances. I see a lot of physio control AEDs in my district but they tend to be on the pricy side...Phillips,Zoll and Defib Tech all make them too to name a few.
Keeping an eye on battery charge and replacing the pads are key...the pads will have an expiration date...they dry out and won’t conduct the electrical charge when needed which won’t do the guy on the ground needing a zap any good.

Thx!

Some things to consider.

• Total cost of ownership. How much are replacement pads and batteries? How often do they need to be replaced?
• Replacement life cycle. Do the pads and batteries expire at the same time?
• Extras. Newer models now have quality feedback for CPR. Very helpful for lay responders or the untrained.

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Some things to consider.

• Total cost of ownership. How much are replacement pads and batteries? How often do they need to be replaced?
• Replacement life cycle. Do the pads and batteries expire at the same time?
• Extras. Newer models now have quality feedback for CPR. Very helpful for lay responders or the untrained.

All great points. Thx

Coloradohunter....the other thing to consider is what type of support the manufacturer gives you. My department runs all lifepack 15 by physio control...you don’t want/need that model as it’s quite advanced for professionals...but physio control has a rep in our area and is always just a phone call away. Whenever we have to take one out for service (it happens) he is there the same day, takes the one we need service on and leaves a loaner so we are never without. just a thought...you may want to see if there’s a rep around your area that’s responsive....pun intended

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Coloradohunter....the other thing to consider is what type of support the manufacturer gives you. My department runs all lifepack 15 by physio control...you don’t want/need that model as it’s quite advanced for professionals...but physio control has a rep in our area and is always just a phone call away. Whenever we have to take one out for service (it happens) he is there the same day, takes the one we need service on and leaves a loaner so we are never without. just a thought...you may want to see if there’s a rep around your area that’s responsive....pun intended

Thx. I’ll check if out.

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Originally posted by ffips:
Our head company has deployed just over 7600 Lifepak AED units. 24 have been used and saved life.

Batteries and pads are replaced every 2 years. Inspect at a minimum monthly (more frequently in harsh environments).

These cost about $1600-$1700. At one point we were offered units at $1200 but I missed the opportunity.




Use is straight forward, the unit tells you what to do. Place one pad upper right and one pad lower left. Follow machine's instructions.

I think there is also gloves and a CPR mask attached.

Not to nit pick, but you may get better conductivity response by placing one pad on the sternum and the other on his/her back, allowing a straight flow to the heart rather than a sidewards flow across the anterior part of the heart.

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Originally posted by ffips:
Our head company has deployed just over 7600 Lifepak AED units. 24 have been used and saved life.

Batteries and pads are replaced every 2 years. Inspect at a minimum monthly (more frequently in harsh environments).

These cost about $1600-$1700. At one point we were offered units at $1200 but I missed the opportunity.




Use is straight forward, the unit tells you what to do. Place one pad upper right and one pad lower left. Follow machine's instructions.

I think there is also gloves and a CPR mask attached.

Not to nit pick, but you may get better conductivity response by placing one pad on the sternum and the other on his/her back, allowing a straight flow to the heart rather than a sidewards flow across the anterior part of the heart.

Would most portable defibullators have enough current to effectively do this?

I don't know what brands are best, but I did save someone's life who had a major heart attack with one which CPR didn't. Standing and totally collapsed on deck. No pulse, no breathing. I did ten minutes of CPR, after someone brought a defibullator from a neighboring yacht at the marina, we followed the instructions and put the pads on each side of his chest, it zapped him once, we continued CPR for about a minute and a minute later he was wide awake and breathing. Paramedics arrived a minute later. He then had another heart attack that night in the hospital and they rushed open heart surgery and his left artery was 100% blocked. After 2 months of recovery in the hospital, he is alive and living a normal life, although aged about 10 years (he's 70). I don't know the brand, but it was in a dark blue plastic case and spoke the instructions.

I know Costco sells one. We were going to buy one, probably good time to re-visit that. IIRC it was around $900/1000

We have two Lifepak 1000 at our facility.

Check with EMS where the AED's will be located. When I worked EMS/ER, we exchanged pads. It was quicker to unplug from the AED & connect to the monitor/defibrillator.

The FAA probably has a list of units approved to be used on an airplane. You might start there.

they have a Zoll one on the wall at my rehab... and I wore one for two months... that's the best I can do....

Now with that said.... learning to use one is probably the real kicker.... most men need to be shaved before applying the pads,,.. I was amazed at how fast the EMTs shaved me back in April.....and I am a hairy guy.

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Use is straight forward, the unit tells you what to do. Place one pad upper right and one pad lower left. Follow machine's instructions.

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Not to nit pick, but you may get better conductivity response by placing one pad on the sternum and the other on his/her back, allowing a straight flow to the heart rather than a sidewards flow across the anterior part of the heart.

Nit pick all you want.

I guess I should have been more precise with my words. I knew what I meant based on training I received and can see how it might confuse someone.

For clarification's sake, I have found a video of the unit I shared. It shows exactly how it should be used. It shows one pad is higher on the torso than the other lower pad.

Your experience(s) and or unit(s) you have been trained/familiar with may be different and that's okay.




Link to original video: https://youtu.be/3uhZPzvyu10

coloradohunter44, the head company has these deployed in everything from office environments, job trailers, and field trucks. When in the field trucks, they are placed inside a pelican case. Having not been involved in the purchase, I am not sure what research was done prior to selection.

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If multiple sets of pads are available, one set can be used as a "wax" strip for hair removal.

I suspect most units on public display do not have multiple pads or children's pads. They likely also dont have a razor.

I just opened the expired pads from the unit I mentioned above. They are very sticky and pliable. I am sure hair would cause some issue, but pad placement also appears to be likely less hairy locations.

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Originally posted by mrbill345:
Check with EMS where the AED's will be located. When I worked EMS/ER, we exchanged pads. It was quicker to unplug from the AED & connect to the monitor/defibrillator.

This is the correct answer. For the jet, it probably doesn’t matter as you won’t know what EMS is using everywhere, but at least find out what EMS is using at the lodge. Make sure that your pads are compatible and that EMS can simply unplug your AED and plug its pads into to their more advanced defibrillator. EMS can at least save some time while they set up more leads for more thorough diagnostics and treatment.

Personally, I’ve used Physio Control, Phillips and a couple others which I can’t remember the name of and they all worked fine for first response/BLS purposes. My personal preference is Physio Control, all else being equal as they do seem a little beefier, if all else is equal. Also consider keeping two sets of adult pads with every AED. If someone is very hairy chested you can save some time in getting good pad contact by using one pad to rip the hair off their chest and then place the second pad on their now bare skin.