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Maybe Russia should just give up on having an aircraft carrier Roll Eyes
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Fire sweeps Russia’s only aircraft carrier


MOSCOW — Russia’s only aircraft carrier suffered a massive fire Thursday that killed one crew member, injured another 11 people and significantly damaged the ill-fated ship that has been haunted by incidents throughout its service.

The fire on the Admiral Kuznetsov broke out during welding work at a shipyard in the Arctic port of Murmansk and spread quickly through the carrier’s internal compartments.

The ship’s crew and emergency teams spent the day battling the blaze.

The military said one crew member died fighting the fire, and another one is missing.

Authorities in Murmansk said 11 people were injured and 10 of them were hospitalized in intensive care units.

The Investigative Committee, the nation’s top state watchdog agency, has opened a probe into a possible violation of safety rules.

Russian state television showed the carrier berth-side next to a snow-covered hill, engulfed by smoke.

The Defense Ministry said the fire was localized.

The Admiral Kuznetsov has been plagued by breakdowns and setbacks since its launch in 1985.

The massive blaze follows a 70-ton crane crashing onto the Admiral Kuznetsov’s deck in October 2018 when a mammoth floating dock holding the ship sank.

The crane left a hole of 20 square meters (215 square feet), and the loss of the dock significantly slowed down repairs on the carrier since the navy lacked another of comparable size.


Thursday's fire will further push back the work to fit the ship with modern control systems and new weapons.

With its turbines belching black smoke, the Admiral Kuznetsov looks outdated compared with the nuclear-powered carriers of the United States. However, the Kremlin has used it to project military might far from Russia's shores.

In 2016, the Admiral Kuznetsov was deployed to the eastern Mediterranean as part of Russia's campaign in Syria, launching the first carrier-mounted attacks in Russian naval history.

It lost two carrier-launched fighters in incidents during the Syria mission.


https://www.navytimes.com/news...ly-aircraft-carrier/




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Yeah, fixed wing carrier aviation ain't cheap, easy, or intuitive.

There is a reason we are the only ones still serious about doing it these days - because we never stopped doing it since WW1 and have been at it for over 100 years straight.
 
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A better article from Popular Mechanics:

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Russia’s only aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, is on fire and might well never sail again. The trouble-stricken ship, which has seen fires, plane crashes, and narrowly escaped the loss of its drydock, is in flames. The fire reportedly covers the majority of the ship, and at this point it seems distinctly possible Russia’s largest ship will never sail again.

The incident took place this morning, while the big ship was dockside at the 35th Ship Repair Plant in Murmansk. According to Russian state media, the fire broke out during “repair works in the first power unit” by workers of the Zvyozdochka Ship Repair Center. A large plume of black smoke was visible from the upper deck.

RIA Novosti reports, “the cause of the fire was that the spark fell into the hold during welding, and the remains of fuel oil caught fire there.” The fire then spread to an area of 120 square meters. As of nine hours ago, the fire had reportedly spread to 600 meters, with the ship’s diesel fuel on fire.

The fire had largely been put out by mid-afternoon local time, with “open flames” doused. The extent of damage to the ship is unknown. The Russian Northern Fleet stated there were no weapons or ammunition onboard the carrier at the time of the incident.

TASS reports that 12 people were injured, “mostly poisoned by combustion products.” Six of the injured are in intensive care, with “just one in satisfactory condition.” Several of the injured are reportedly firefighters that responded to the fire. RIA Novosti reports the body of a service member was found, and two other persons are reported missing.

Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Kuznetsov, or Admiral Kuznetsov for short, is approximately 1,000 feet long and displaces up to 58,000 tons fully loaded. The ship is built to accommodate an air wing of up to 24 fighters, including Su-33 Flanker D and MiG-29K fighter jets, plus an additional six helicopters. In reality it generally sorties with fewer aircraft than that—in 2016 it sortied with just 10 Su-33s and 5 MiG-29s. By comparison, an American Nimitz-class aircraft carrier goes to sea with 44 F/A-18E/F Super Hornets.

The tragic saga of Admiral Kuznetsov started in 1981, when the ship began construction in what is now Ukraine. After an unusually long construction period, the ship was commissioned in 1990, days before the breakup of the Soviet Union. The ship was inherited by Russia, but the poor state of the Russian economy meant it was rarely used. Between 1991 and 2015, it completed just six patrols at sea and underwent just one refit.

In 2009, off the coast of Turkey, a problem with the electrical system resulted in a fire that killed one crewman. In 2012 Kuznetsov broke down off the coast of France and had to be towed by the Russian Navy tug Nikolay Chiker. In 2016, while conducting air operations off the coast of Syria, Kuznetsov lost two airplanes in two weeks, both reportedly due to faulty arresting wires during the aircraft recovery process.

In October 2018, Kuznetsov was at the PD-50 drydock undergoing an overhaul when the drydock began flooding with water. The massive PD-50 drydock sank to the bottom of the ocean, but not before a heavy lift crane smashed a 16-foot hole into the side of the ship. The incident injured four shipyard workers and killed a fifth. The ship was towed to the nearby 35th Ship Repair Plant, where this morning’s fire took place.

It’s not clear how badly today’s fire hurt the big ship. The fire is out, but it did burn for hours, Furthermore reports suggest the fire took place near the ship’s propulsion systems. The ship's upgrade was supposed to involve replacing four of the eight turbo-pressurized boilers and refurbishing the remainder. If those were damaged or destroyed the ship’s in-service date could be pushed back even further.

If the damage is bad enough, the ship may never sail again.


https://www.popularmechanics.c...iral-kuznetsov-fire/




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The firing spreading to 600 meters, the ship is done. It will never sail again.
 
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I was about to write that I hoped it was nothing trivial, and now it seems that she has done a 'Normandie'

TBH, I never enjoy seeing a ship burn, no matter whose it is, but it's a sad day nevertheless.

Still and all, it will make many, many ploughshares...
 
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I hope the towboat tender that had to always shadow it around wasn’t damaged...




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I've been on a couple Russian warships, a Soveremmny and Udaloy class ........ like used cars they were what I call 100 footers. In other words upon closer inspection they had a lot to be desired in regards to their material condition.
 
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In 1995 the Russians sent a warship to Pearl Harbor for the 50th Anniversary of the end of WWII. It moored ahead of us and starboard side to the pier. It was pretty funny and sad to see. Starboard side was spotless, freshly painted and looking good, Port side was corroded, dilapidated and very garbage scow like




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Yeah all that pesky planned maintenance activities like fight corrosion, chipping paint, rewiring things, safety protocols...
 
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Thanks for posting the article.

Great article in the Economist last month...cant post online as subscription required.

The take home was good info but also very cautionary (typically British): carriers are expensive, missiles are cheap, carrier groups will have to standoff out of harms way, out of range of carrier-based attack aircraft, blah blah blah.

Did not know that the Rafale (French fly them off the Charles de Gaulle) has a much better range than the F-35, which was in the article.



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The Investigative Committee, the nation’s top state watchdog agency, has opened a probe into a possible violation of safety rules.


Color me shocked.


Poor Sovs can't catch a break. . .



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The only thing better than this would be if it was sunk. Fuck the Russian communist bastards.


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Did not know that the Rafale (French fly them off the Charles de Gaulle) has a much better range than the F-35, which was in the article.
Depends what version. Most standard fixed wing aircraft (like the Rafale) have better range that STOVL aircraft (like the F-35B / AV-8B / etc).

STOVL / Ski-jump carriers are totally different animal than conventional catapult carriers.

You can launch much more capable aircraft, carrying far greater weapons loadouts with catapult equipped aircraft carriers.

The US doesn't even consider the US STOVL type carriers "aircraft carriers". They are just Amphibious ships that have helicopters and some AV8s and soon some F-35Bs. But they bring maybe 1/5th of the combat power of a big deck conventional carrier when it comes to numbers of aircraft, combat loads, and sortie generation.
 
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They will likely find some lowly seaman was passed out drunk in the story here somewhere.


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Wait. Russia only had one aircraft carrier and now that's done for?? I am shocked honestly to learn they only had one.


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Ivan got into the vodka again...


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The fire spread to 600 meters! Holy crap, is the thing made of wood? Russia no longer sends dissidents to Siberia, they make sailors out of them and assign them to this piece of shit.

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Haven’t seen any soviet carriers, but was on a soviet diesel sub in Hamburg last year.

Technology was basic. Sub was launched in 1977, when I was an ASW Gunners Mate in USN. It was interesting walking through the sub, knowing at the time I was on the surface hunting for it.

Putting myself in the shoes of a soviet sailor at the time and thinking about reliability and having faith in my ship, I would not have been comfortable sailing in that sub. Personally I was concerned about it sinking while tied to the pier. At sea and at depth? Not this sailor. Passageways were built like a maze for a mouse. Had the lights gone out or the boat filled with smoke? Never, never get out.
 
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