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Maybe Russia should just give up on having an aircraft carrier
https://www.navytimes.com/news...ly-aircraft-carrier/ ...let him who has no sword sell his robe and buy one. Luke 22:35-36 NAV "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves." Matthew 10:16 NASV | ||
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Go ahead punk, make my day |
Yeah, fixed wing carrier aviation ain't cheap, easy, or intuitive. There is a reason we are the only ones still serious about doing it these days - because we never stopped doing it since WW1 and have been at it for over 100 years straight. | |||
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186,000 miles per second. It's the law. |
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A better article from Popular Mechanics:
https://www.popularmechanics.c...iral-kuznetsov-fire/ ...let him who has no sword sell his robe and buy one. Luke 22:35-36 NAV "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves." Matthew 10:16 NASV | |||
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The firing spreading to 600 meters, the ship is done. It will never sail again. | |||
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half-genius, half-wit |
I was about to write that I hoped it was nothing trivial, and now it seems that she has done a 'Normandie' TBH, I never enjoy seeing a ship burn, no matter whose it is, but it's a sad day nevertheless. Still and all, it will make many, many ploughshares... | |||
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Wait, what? |
I hope the towboat tender that had to always shadow it around wasn’t damaged... “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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I've been on a couple Russian warships, a Soveremmny and Udaloy class ........ like used cars they were what I call 100 footers. In other words upon closer inspection they had a lot to be desired in regards to their material condition. | |||
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Low Speed, High Drag |
In 1995 the Russians sent a warship to Pearl Harbor for the 50th Anniversary of the end of WWII. It moored ahead of us and starboard side to the pier. It was pretty funny and sad to see. Starboard side was spotless, freshly painted and looking good, Port side was corroded, dilapidated and very garbage scow like "Blessed is he who when facing his own demise, thinks only of his front sight.” Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem Montani Semper Liberi | |||
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Go ahead punk, make my day |
Yeah all that pesky planned maintenance activities like fight corrosion, chipping paint, rewiring things, safety protocols... | |||
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Thanks for posting the article. Great article in the Economist last month...cant post online as subscription required. The take home was good info but also very cautionary (typically British): carriers are expensive, missiles are cheap, carrier groups will have to standoff out of harms way, out of range of carrier-based attack aircraft, blah blah blah. Did not know that the Rafale (French fly them off the Charles de Gaulle) has a much better range than the F-35, which was in the article.
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Official Space Nerd |
Color me shocked. Poor Sovs can't catch a break. . . Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher | |||
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A day late, and a dollar short |
The only thing better than this would be if it was sunk. Fuck the Russian communist bastards. ____________________________ NRA Life Member, Annual Member GOA, MGO Annual Member | |||
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At Jacob's Well |
Let me guess, they upped their AllState policy last month. J Rak Chazak Amats | |||
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Go ahead punk, make my day |
Depends what version. Most standard fixed wing aircraft (like the Rafale) have better range that STOVL aircraft (like the F-35B / AV-8B / etc). STOVL / Ski-jump carriers are totally different animal than conventional catapult carriers. You can launch much more capable aircraft, carrying far greater weapons loadouts with catapult equipped aircraft carriers. The US doesn't even consider the US STOVL type carriers "aircraft carriers". They are just Amphibious ships that have helicopters and some AV8s and soon some F-35Bs. But they bring maybe 1/5th of the combat power of a big deck conventional carrier when it comes to numbers of aircraft, combat loads, and sortie generation. | |||
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They will likely find some lowly seaman was passed out drunk in the story here somewhere. CMSGT USAF (Retired) Chief of Police (Retired) | |||
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Wait. Russia only had one aircraft carrier and now that's done for?? I am shocked honestly to learn they only had one. "Fixed fortifications are monuments to mans stupidity" - George S. Patton | |||
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Mensch |
Ivan got into the vodka again... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Yidn, shreibt un fershreibt" "The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind." -Bomber Harris | |||
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Crusty old curmudgeon |
The fire spread to 600 meters! Holy crap, is the thing made of wood? Russia no longer sends dissidents to Siberia, they make sailors out of them and assign them to this piece of shit. Jim ________________________ "If you can't be a good example, then you'll have to be a horrible warning" -Catherine Aird | |||
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Haven’t seen any soviet carriers, but was on a soviet diesel sub in Hamburg last year. Technology was basic. Sub was launched in 1977, when I was an ASW Gunners Mate in USN. It was interesting walking through the sub, knowing at the time I was on the surface hunting for it. Putting myself in the shoes of a soviet sailor at the time and thinking about reliability and having faith in my ship, I would not have been comfortable sailing in that sub. Personally I was concerned about it sinking while tied to the pier. At sea and at depth? Not this sailor. Passageways were built like a maze for a mouse. Had the lights gone out or the boat filled with smoke? Never, never get out. | |||
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