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Originally posted by cas:
I got this info in an email from the ATF the other day. Which threw me because I don’t recall ever giving the ATF my email.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by sig226fan:
Their wording is still wrong if you want to take it literally. "ATF’s position is that any FRT that allows a firearm to automatically expel more than one shot with a single, continuous pull of the trigger is a “machinegun”,". They say nothing about releasing the trigger (which is not a continuous pull of the trigger). So, I would argue that if I keep a "continuous pull" on the trigger it will only fire 1 single round.

I believe you might be conflating forced reset triggers with binary triggers.

With a FRT, you cannot "pin" the trigger to the rear to only fire one round, like you can with a standard trigger or a binary trigger.

This deals with forced reset triggers. With these, the gun fires when the trigger is pulled, then the trigger forces itself forward during cycling. With a FRT, you can pull rearward on the trigger once, maintain that continuous rearward pressure, and empty the magazine as the trigger rapidly mechanically resets and fires despite your constant rearward trigger pressure. ATF's position is that with one continuous rearward pull by the finger but multiple bullets fired, it becomes a machine gun.

You may be envisioning binary triggers, where the finger pulls the trigger back to fire one bullet, and then the finger releases it to fire one bullet again. Those would not be affected here.

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Originally posted by KevinCW:

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by sig226fan:
Their wording is still wrong if you want to take it literally. "ATF’s position is that any FRT that allows a firearm to automatically expel more than one shot with a single, continuous pull of the trigger is a “machinegun”,". They say nothing about releasing the trigger (which is not a continuous pull of the trigger). So, I would argue that if I keep a "continuous pull" on the trigger it will only fire 1 single round.

I believe you might be conflating forced reset triggers with binary triggers.

With a FRT, you cannot "pin" the trigger to the rear to only fire one round, like you can with a standard trigger or a binary trigger.

This deals with forced reset triggers. With these, the gun fires when the trigger is pulled, then the trigger forces itself forward during cycling. With a FRT, you can pull rearward on the trigger once, maintain that continuous rearward pressure, and empty the magazine as the trigger rapidly mechanically resets and fires despite your constant rearward trigger pressure. ATF's position is that with one continuous rearward pull by the finger but multiple bullets fired, it becomes a machine gun.

You may be envisioning binary triggers, where the finger pulls the trigger back to fire one bullet, and then the finger releases it to fire one bullet again. Those would not be affected here.

Forgive my ignorance, but I'm unaware of these. From what I'm understanding from your post, it is a trigger with a really long trigger pull, that as you KEEP pulling it rearward it resets on it's own and fires additional rounds as the trigger is continually moved rearward (as if firing)?

If I'm wrong please correct me, as I have never heard of these.

Kevin

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Originally posted by rkentm:
I think with the RB and WOT versions, you cannot keep the trigger depressed. Seems like the mechanism forces the trigger to move forward, and that’s what resets it. I am curious if one can even hold the trigger back firmly enough to defeat the forced reset?

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Originally posted by walker77:

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Originally posted by rkentm:
I think with the RB and WOT versions, you cannot keep the trigger depressed. Seems like the mechanism forces the trigger to move forward, and that’s what resets it. I am curious if one can even hold the trigger back firmly enough to defeat the forced reset?

Yep. Pulling the trigger all the way back jams it.

If you hold the trigger back on the WOT trigger it will hold the bolt back until you release it. It looks like the last round bolt hold open has been engaged.

I'm pretty sure the RB is the same way from the videos I've seen.

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... “forced reset triggers” (FRTs) and has determined that some of them are “firearms” and “machineguns” ...

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Originally posted by Hildur:
Is the trigger reset forced or assisted?

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Originally posted by harleyman1974:
My buddy had one. It was fun to shoot but didn't run real well until he upgraded his buffer tube. It was fun to shoot, but I like the control better with the Franklin, which is what I decide on. The select fire is a bonus.

https://freedomgear.org/produc...-kit-ships-for-free/

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:

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Originally posted by harleyman1974:
My buddy had one. It was fun to shoot but didn't run real well until he upgraded his buffer tube. It was fun to shoot, but I like the control better with the Franklin, which is what I decide on. The select fire is a bonus.

https://freedomgear.org/produc...-kit-ships-for-free/

ATF honeypots popping up all over the internet in the gun circles and you bump a thread telling where to buy a forced reset trigger when ATF is going door to door saying "we know you bought one" in a thread that hasn't been posted in for five months for your first post.

Now, I'm not saying you're glowing, but this is rather ardent support for buying a forced reset trigger.

Hey guys? You know how we got, like, scammers in the Classifieds? If you're gonna buy a forced reset trigger, maybe don't go to Brand New Guy's link to do it lol.

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Originally posted by Will938:
If you don't become a screen writer for comedy movies, then you're an asshole.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
I know I’m going to pasted for this but I think they might be right on this one....

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Originally posted by harleyman1974:

but didn't run real well until he upgraded his buffer tube.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
I know I’m going to pasted for this but I think they might be right on this one.
Legally they are wrong because of the definition of machine gun individual trigger pull , but if I apply the intention of the word I come to a different conclusion.

So by strict legalese, it’s not a machine gun. In reality .......