_________________________________________________________________________ “A man’s treatment of a dog is no indication of the man’s nature, but his treatment of a cat is. It is the crucial test. None but the humane treat a cat well.” -- Mark Twain, 1902
September 15, 2023, 03:34 PM
Rey HRH
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Originally posted by wcb6092: Ask Michael Flynn if you should have a friendly conversation with the FBI.
Bingo! Giving false information to an FBI agent is a crime in itself. Although, the qualifications is "knowingly and intentionally," once caught in a falsehood, then they can charge you and you'd have to spend resources to show it wasn't "Knowingly or intentionally."
"It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946.
September 15, 2023, 04:41 PM
911Boss
Hey, if you have nothing to hide…
What part of "...Shall not be infringed" don't you understand???
September 16, 2023, 06:42 PM
JDSigManiac
“I don’t answer questions.” - Ray Shoesmith
Google it. Learn it. Live it.
September 16, 2023, 07:14 PM
Sig2340
Why not reply “I think I have COVID. You may want to flee… before…”
Nice is overrated
"It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018
September 16, 2023, 09:35 PM
JDSigManiac
Oops. Double PostThis message has been edited. Last edited by: JDSigManiac,
September 17, 2023, 10:35 PM
Aglifter
Has anyone verified this?
The body language seems very odd for 3 cops going to the door of someone they don’t know.
September 17, 2023, 10:37 PM
Nuclear
Years ago I had a couple of feebs stop by my old house asking about some neighbors who “skipped out on their mortgage”.
Yeah, right, like FBI agents don’t have anything better to do than check up on people not paying their mortgage.
I told them they always had a lot of cars parked in their driveway, other than that, I didn’t know anything about them. All that was true. Nowadays I wouldn’t have told them even that.
I’m thinking I need to get a video doorbell so I can see people without opening the door.
September 18, 2023, 07:32 AM
Lt CHEG
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Originally posted by parabellum: It's true in many organizations that the so-called rank and file are, for the most part, unlike upper management, but the fact remains that these agents knocking on doors or conducting raids are doing the bidding of their bosses.
When you find a way to justify that- other than the non-excuse of "I'm just doing my job"- you let me know.
Just like Lucas Jackson said- calling it your job doesn't make it right.
Amen! Walking away from the feds was the hardest thing I’ve done in my life, without question. It’s had numerous implications that I won’t go into, but I go to sleep at night with a clean conscience. ATF is all consumed with amassing information on gun sales, and essentially creating a defacto registry. I reported this and other issues to Justice OIG, and OSC, and even met and worked with Senator Grassley’s office. My efforts may or may not have had an impact, but I know that I reported unlawful and unethical behavior, as well as programs that defied the intent of appropriations and I now sleep well at night, better than I did while still part of the machine. It saddens me to see how political management has become at a number of federal LE agencies.
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”
September 18, 2023, 07:23 PM
Sig M11
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Originally posted by jhe888: Is there any verification this is real? I've never seen FBI agents dressed like that. But, who knows?
When I started my career in the "Seat of Government," as Hoover used to refer to Washington, District of Columbia...
You wore a suit...everyday. Everyday! Unless you were at Firearms or cleaning up something at the office and were not going to interact with anyone.
Over the years...that faded away. Agents will still wear suits to Court or Grand Jury. If they are interviewing, someone where Business attire is expected, suits will be worn.
Otherwise. It is Business casual...at best.
September 19, 2023, 03:24 PM
sse
I've learned there are many people who think it is either unlikely or illegal for LEO's to lie during an investigation. There is no such constraint.
September 19, 2023, 03:48 PM
MikeinNC
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Originally posted by sse: I've learned there are many people who think it is either unlikely or illegal for LEO's to lie during an investigation. There is no such constraint.
As a cop we were allowed to lie to people, we were not allowed to manufacture evidence, eg fingerprint cards-you’re in an interview and you drop a FP card on the table with the suspects prints, implying you have his from a scene…big no no, can’t do that. But you can tell him you have his prints. (That’s a really bad ruse-if the badguy knows he wasn’t there-he absolutely knows you are lying to him)
"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein
“You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020
“A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker
September 19, 2023, 03:56 PM
sse
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Originally posted by MikeinNC:
quote:
Originally posted by sse: I've learned there are many people who think it is either unlikely or illegal for LEO's to lie during an investigation. There is no such constraint.
As a cop we were allowed to lie to people, we were not allowed to manufacture evidence, eg fingerprint cards-you’re in an interview and you drop a FP card on the table with the suspects prints, implying you have his from a scene…big no no, can’t do that. But you can tell him you have his prints. (That’s a really bad ruse-if the badguy knows he wasn’t there-he absolutely knows you are lying to him)
Thanks, I'm sure there is a lot of nuance.
September 19, 2023, 04:41 PM
sig2392
If a FED asked me Do you know anybody who may have done something wrong?
Yes, John Connolly FBI agent who worked for the Boston Mob and tipped off Whitey Bulger.
September 19, 2023, 04:44 PM
Blume9mm
Does the FBI now allow their agents to have facial hair and just show up in a golf shirt... I call BS. That sure wasn't Efrem Zimbalist, Jr.
My Native American Name: "Runs with Scissors"
September 19, 2023, 04:59 PM
a1abdj
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Does the FBI now allow their agents to have facial hair and just show up in a golf shirt
This is my lawyer's name and office number, am I under arrest or being detained? Do you have an arrest or search warrant? If no, kindly leave my property and contact my lawyer with questions.
September 20, 2023, 05:20 AM
Mars_Attacks
When I had my interview with the assholes, they had a dossier of my life in a folder and plopped it down in front of me. Things that would require a court order, but without one because they pressured the entities into handing the information over. Medical records, employment records, financial, every last goddamm post I had made here and anywhere else. The agent recited my suspension from teaching word for word from a sealed document.
It took an hour of questioning my past before they even asked me about the cheating scandal.
They can lie, cheat, steal and accuse with impunity.
I was supposed to be a witness, I was treated like a suspect.
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Eeewwww, don't touch it! Here, poke at it with this stick.
September 20, 2023, 07:52 AM
Ryanp225
"Most men can handle adversity. If you want to test a man's character give him power"
This is why I try to steer clear of anyone who has the governments permission to fuck me.
