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posted February 06, 2018 09:33 PMHide Post
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This is one instance where I'm really glad I'm as old as I am. My "superbike" was one of just a very very few full race Dunstall Nortons imported into the States in '71. Well under 400 lbs wet and somewhere close to 70 bhp. That was plenty fast for me back in those days. I simply can't imagine running today's monster bikes as carefree as we did with the hotrodded cafe racers back in my day. The thought simply scares the hell out of me.

I quit riding bikes over a decade ago....


In reality electronics on modern bikes makes them very manageable to ride even with the insane HP. Engine management control, dynamic traction control, launch and wheelie control just to name a few contributes to making modern super bikes controllable but that doesn't mean they can't get away from you which they can.
 
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like my old VFR750. I love those V4 sounds, like a mini Ferrari Big Grin.


Gotta love that V4 sound!
A friend of mine who also has an '07 VFR said, "These things sound like angry bears when they get revved up!"

When that VTEC kicks in at around 6400 RPM, it's a whole new sound.




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posted February 06, 2018 10:35 PMHide Post
The Twin Pulse firing order makes it sound more like the 1299 than an RSV4.
Sat on one at the motorcycle show - riding position is extreme, with the pegs quite far back. Beautiful bike though, with outstanding fit & finish




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posted February 06, 2018 10:50 PMHide Post
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Ducati joins the ranks of four cylinder superbikes

They built a V4 over 10 years ago. It was called the Desmosedici

More info here



In Aus, the RR can be found for ... AUD$87,000.

2008 Desmosedici RR

989 cc, 4 stroke
4 cyl, L-4
147.1 kW / 115.76 Nm
171 kg

Ummm, wow.

That's a lot of pacific burritos.



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posted February 07, 2018 02:43 AMHide Post
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So far I've only found the new Panigale V4 price listed in pounds. It starts at £19,250 for the base, £23,895 for the "S" version and a whopping £34,995 for the Speciale version which makes 226 bhp! Eek


Conversion, please, to real money.

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posted February 07, 2018 05:29 AMHide Post
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This is one instance where I'm really glad I'm as old as I am. My "superbike" was one of just a very very few full race Dunstall Nortons imported into the States in '71. Well under 400 lbs wet and somewhere close to 70 bhp. That was plenty fast for me back in those days. I simply can't imagine running today's monster bikes as carefree as we did with the hotrodded cafe racers back in my day. The thought simply scares the hell out of me.

I quit riding bikes over a decade ago....


I lusted for a Dunstall Norton. No money and nobody stocking one were just two of the problems. $2000 if memory serves. A standard Norton was about $1350 I think.

Hat is off to one who owned one of the coolest bikes ever. Would love to hear stories of buying and owning it and maybe some pics.
 
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posted February 07, 2018 10:59 AMHide Post
Tac, they are certainly on the expensive side. It looks like they range from $21-40k and the top tier “R” model hasn’t even been released yet. I was reading that Ducati spent more developing this bike than any other single product they have offered before. It was in R&D for something like 4 years.


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This is one instance where I'm really glad I'm as old as I am. My "superbike" was one of just a very very few full race Dunstall Nortons imported into the States in '71. Well under 400 lbs wet and somewhere close to 70 bhp. That was plenty fast for me back in those days. I simply can't imagine running today's monster bikes as carefree as we did with the hotrodded cafe racers back in my day. The thought simply scares the hell out of me.

I quit riding bikes over a decade ago....


I lusted for a Dunstall Norton. No money and nobody stocking one were just two of the problems. $2000 if memory serves. A standard Norton was about $1350 I think.

Hat is off to one who owned one of the coolest bikes ever. Would love to hear stories of buying and owning it and maybe some pics.


Ordered and bought it through Lanphere's Motorcycles in Syracuse. I had bought a couple earlier snortin' Nortons from Dave. Added all sorts of chrome goodies ranging from an extended rear set peg plates, to finned rocker and points plate covers, to carb velocity stacks with domed screen covers, to braided lines, to reupholstering the seat with added padding. Added a dental mirror stuck in a clip on handle to be legal. Smile Had the bike painted in gunmetal gray with black pin striping. For giggles entered it in a bike show in Syracuse's War Memorial and took a trophy. If memory serves I had somewhere between $2500 and $2750 total in it.

Top end was in the mid 130s with the real "go" coming on once fully underway as the gearing was quite tall. I do recall it being a "special" configuration overall compared to "normal" export models (bigger carbs and hotter cam, etc. if memory serves*). It was simply a joy to ride. Very very few cafe racers around town. These were the days before Japanese crotch rockets. Smile Wish I never sold it but such is life. Sadly all my pictures of it were lost during one of my military moves.

This internet shot is pretty close to the "as delivered" look although the side didn't have the gaudy lettering shown here, the seat was more of a single with a small tool storage compartment on its rear, and the exhaust system was different:


Addendum: * Did some research and yeah there was a Mk II High Performance version:

Compression ratio was raised to 10:1, hotter camshaft, racing exhaust pipes, bigger carbs, inlet tracts and inlet valves to go to 137 MPH.


Interesting side note: Paul Dunstall said Steve McQueen also bought a 750 Dunstall Norton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvVkMavjP68

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I am going to sell my Desmodedici soon as my health is failing but to add I grew up on the BSA,Nortons and Triumphs and still own a few and in their day we thought they handled well and stopped same however in the last decade we are told they did none of the above and it is a miracle not to be killed on some of the ones I have owned. Some of the new Ducatis like my 1199R but not my Desmosedici has traction control and throttle by wire and even though that in itself is not a get out of crash certainty all the new superbikes are safer all the way around and if anything the old super bikes of the day made me a better rider to be able to have still be alive at my old age. I have not ridden the last 3 years but presently if my health gets better I would hold out for the RR model R-V4 and it will likely be priced at over $80K.

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posted February 07, 2018 08:50 PMHide Post
desmosedeci,
Interesting take that the "superbikes" of old like my Dunstall were more dangerous than the current crop of exotic uber powerful bikes.
Been cruising YouTube watching racing videos of Norton Commandos and their variants. Most have onboard cameras and yes, the footage really brings back memories. Smile



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posted February 07, 2018 09:41 PMHide Post
This is interesting. Check out how often the amber light towards the top left of the dash illuminates. The amber light flashing indicates traction control intervention.




Link to original video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fih5se12B4w


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posted February 07, 2018 09:48 PMHide Post
New TC, riders will be WOT mid corner and let the TC take care of everything. My brain can't get to that point where I'd just trust the electronics and whack the throttle wide open.




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New TC, riders will be WOT mid corner and let the TC take care of everything. My brain can't get to that point where I'd just trust the electronics and whack the throttle wide open.
The TC usually has several settings mine has 8 so different degrees of traction control and you should test all the settings to see where you are most comfortable with then you can go WFO!
 
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Keith Code’s school switched to BMW S1000RR’d a few years back. You’d think 200hp motorcycles for training was a bad idea, but he mentioned accidents were cut in 1/2 because of the electronics. Incredible




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Beautiful motorcycle, sounds awesome.

Brings back good memories of my '86 1000 Ninja and '88 FZR750RU.




 
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I’m anxious to hear one in the wild. As far as motos go the Aprilia RSV4 is in my opinion one of the nastiest and meanest sounding sportbikes out there. With a race exhaust the RSV4 reminds me more of a V8 with a hot as hell cam at idle than it does a motorcycle engine. This Ducati V4 has a different firing order and I believe different rotation from the Ape. I hope it sounds as good.


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posted November 04, 2018 05:40 PMHide Post
Ducati finally pulled the wraps off the new “R” model Panigale V4.

Link to article

From the article:

Engine

221 HP @ 15,250 RPM (16,500 RPM limiter)
81×48.4mm bore and stroke
Titanium conrods (-100g each)
New crank, 1.1kg lighter
Forged pistons
New camshaft
Bigger inlet valves and ducts
Bigger throttle boddies (+4mm) and dedicated trumpets
New oil pump & lighter rotor
Valve service @ 15,000 miles

What’s really rude though is that if you whip the Euro4 compliant exhaust off, replace it with a full system and remove some road-going bits like mirrors and numberplate hangers, it’ll make 234 HP and weigh just 165KG. That’s 1.42hp per kg. Holy ****.


234 hp & 364 lbs with a full exhaust and tune is obscene. Bravo Ducati!


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posted November 04, 2018 06:59 PMHide Post
Throw on some decent headphones, and watch the first video in the OP.

It will put a smile on your face!!!


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Ducati has to be happy today. In its debut WSBK (World Superbike) race at Phillip Island the new Ducati V4 Panigale R rocketship piloted by Alvaro Bautista took first place and finished nearly 15 seconds ahead of everyone else. Eek



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posted February 23, 2019 08:40 AMHide Post
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This is interesting. Check out how often the amber light towards the top left of the dash illuminates. The amber light flashing indicates traction control intervention.




Link to original video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fih5se12B4w


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