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If this happens we are going to find out that out of a total US population of 328.2 million, 600 million are Democrats.
 
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The election is five and a half months away.


Nice try, but forget about it. No reasonable person will believe in November that they have to remain isolated. It's just not going to happen. Too bad, so sad, but forget about it, lefties.
 
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When it all comes down to it, The Democrats want it. They demand it.

It should be obvious why, and how bad this would be for elections.



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The election is five and a half months away.


Nice try, but forget about it. No reasonable person will believe in November that they have to remain isolated. It's just not going to happen. Too bad, so sad, but forget about it, lefties.


Which is why I think this year’s October Surprise will be some new outbreak hyped by the Democrat controlled MSM.

Just think about it; about October 30 when things are looking much better, all of a sudden “OMFG the SECOND COVID WAVE IS COMING! Everyone shelter in place, DO NOT LEAVE YOUR HOMES!”

I think it’s very plausible such a scheme is being cooked up as we speak. Mad


 
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Just cut it out, please. Stop with this "October Surprise" nonsense. You don't know anything of the sort and I am tired of the same old shit being said every election cycle.

People have to go back to work to pay their bills and feed their families. This will become urgent and unavoidable in the next month or two, and no matter how badly the left doesn't want it to happen, people are just going to start getting on with their lives and begin ignoring the lies and that will happen well before October.

Anyone who thinks they're gonna be sitting around their house for the rest of the year, and voting by mail, is dreaming.
 
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Other than Trump just saying that mailing ballots will help Dems where is any actual basis for that? The largest demographic that mails in ballots are senior citizens and they predominantly vote Republican. Also funny that Trump is opposed to mail in ballots since has admitted that he votes by mail himself.
 
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Also funny that Trump is opposed to mail in ballots since has admitted that he votes by mail himself.
Yeah, that's hilarious, isn't it? Soooooo funny. Nothing at stake in this next election, just lots of yucks for laughing boys like you.
 
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Denver health department orders the closure of a major USPS distribution center. If the USPS is subject to closure, what makes Democrats think mail-in voting is the panacea they say it is, and why the rush to implement it before this year's elections?

Denver health officials order coronavirus closure of U.S. Postal Service facility serving millions in Colorado, Wyoming

Denver Department of Public Health and Environment issued the order Thursday, the day after investigators said they were denied full access to the facility

MAY 21, 2020 10:05PM MDT

Denver health officials have ordered the closure of a United States Postal Service distribution center that handles all mail for Colorado and Wyoming, saying the facility has multiple confirmed cases of the coronavirus among its employees.

KUSA-TV reports state health officials confirmed five workers have tested positive for the virus at the facility that employs about 1,800. The Denver Department of Public Health and Environment issued the order Thursday, the day after investigators said they were denied full access to the facility.

The USPS said in a statement the closure notice did not cite any adverse findings and could affect the delivery of stimulus checks, prescription medications, personal correspondence and other vital goods delivered to more than 6.5 million customers in Colorado and Wyoming.

“We are meeting all CDC and federal guidelines for COVID-19,” the Postal Service’s Colorado branch said on Twitter. “USPS is an essential service.”

But the Denver Department of Public Health and Environment says it has “responded to clusters of COVID-19 cases involving multiple employees at several USPS locations over the last week.”

“As part of any outbreak investigation, we work with facility management to obtain information about ill employees, identify common exposures and implement practices to prevent disease transmission and ensure the safety of employees and the public,” DDPHE said in a written statement. “In this case, however, the USPS not only failed to provide the necessary information, but they have not allowed inspections to support complete outbreak investigations.”

City officials said their intent is not to halt the delivery of mail or shut down a federal facility, but that they had no choice.

“This was a measure of last resort, and the only remaining tool we have to get the facility management’s attention and secure public health compliance during a pandemic,” the DDPHE statement said.

The city said it is “committed to resolving these concerns with federal authorities quickly.”

The Associated Press contributed to this staff and wire report.


Edited: found a better story source for the topic

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"Democrats are fooling themselves if they think state systems can be completely revamped in a matter of months."



They're not fooling themselves. They're out to fool the American people.
 
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Voters find ballots blowing in parking lot at clerk's office

Jun 19, 2020 Jun 19, 2020 Jun 19, 2020

By Charles Ashby

Several voters have reported finding and turning in completed ballots over the past several days that they discovered blowing in the wind in the parking lot of the Mesa County Central Services Building from a new drive-up drop box.

The first reported incident occurred Saturday, when petition gatherers who are part of an effort to recall Clerk Tina Peters said they found at least one loose ballot in the parking lot, and immediately turned it over to the clerk’s office.

Another voter said they were “flying out of the ballot box” at that same location Tuesday.

“Quickly I headed to the (elections) office as I had already attempted to retrieve the ballots, but they were taking flight across the parking lot and into the street,” Grand Junction businesswoman Ann Brach wrote in a letter to the editor submitted to The Daily Sentinel on Wednesday. She ended the letter with “A determined voter.”

Voters have been casting ballots for the past two weeks for the primary elections, voting for which continues until June 30.

Neither Peters nor anyone else in the clerk’s office responded to questions about the wayward ballots, but a sign on the drop box reads: “Did you hear me drop? Please make sure that ballot is completely inserted in ballot box.”

In late May, Peters announced the new drive-up box as “yet another convenience by the Clerk and Recorder,” saying that the “secure” drive-up box was intended to allow voters the ability to stay safe from the coronavirus while casting their ballots.

The box, located at 200 S. Spruce St., was recently moved from its original location just outside the front doors of the building. It’s the same box in which 574 uncounted ballots from last fall’s election were discovered months later during the February presidential primary.

The box hadn’t been emptied when it was locked at the end of voting at 7 p.m. Nov. 5, which was the day of the general election.

That incident, along with several other issues in the clerk’s office, including an 80% turnover rate in staff since Peters took office in 2018, prompted the effort to recall the clerk.

The new drive-up box had been in the works before the COVID-19 pandemic hit. Regardless, Peters said in late May that the public health crisis was one of the reasons why it was installed.

Initially, general taxpayer dollars were to be used to relocate it, but Peters instead paid for it with federal money intended to fund pandemic- related elections costs.

“Traffic, public safety and recent pandemic health concerns coupled with my commitment to provide the citizens of Mesa County with better Customer Service is the reason for the relocation of the Elections Voter Dropbox,” Peters said in a May 20 press release.

Voters can go to the Colorado Secretary of State’s website, GoVoteColorado.gov, to verify that their mail-in ballot has been picked up and processed.
 
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Best advice. If you get a mail in ballot throw it away. Vote in person.
 
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A boots on the ground guide to mail-in ballot fraud

https://nypost.com/2020/08/29/...ith-mail-in-ballots/

Confessions of a voter fraud: I was a master at fixing mail-in ballots
By Jon LevineAugust 29, 2020 | 5:24pm

A top Democratic operative says voter fraud, especially with mail-in ballots, is no myth. And he knows this because he’s been doing it, on a grand scale, for decades.

Mail-in ballots have become the latest flashpoint in the 2020 elections. While President Trump and the GOP warn of widespread manipulation of the absentee vote that will swell with COVID polling restrictions, many Democrats and their media allies have dismissed such concerns as unfounded.

But the political insider, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he fears prosecution, said fraud is more the rule than the exception. His dirty work has taken him through the weeds of municipal and federal elections in Paterson, Atlantic City, Camden, Newark, Hoboken and Hudson County and his fingerprints can be found in local legislative, mayoral and congressional races across the Garden State. Some of the biggest names and highest office holders in New Jersey have benefited from his tricks, according to campaign records The Post reviewed.

“An election that is swayed by 500 votes, 1,000 votes — it can make a difference,” the tipster said. “It could be enough to flip states.”

The whisteblower — whose identity, rap sheet and long history working as a consultant to various campaigns were confirmed by The Post — says he not only changed ballots himself over the years, but led teams of fraudsters and mentored at least 20 operatives in New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania — a critical 2020 swing state.

“There is no race in New Jersey — from city council to United States Senate — that we haven’t worked on,” the tipster said. “I worked on a fire commissioner’s race in Burlington County. The smaller the race, the easier it is to do.”

A Bernie Sanders die-hard with no horse in the presidential race, he said he felt compelled to come forward in the hope that states would act now to fix the glaring security problems present in mail-in ballots.

“This is a real thing,” he said. “And there is going to be a f–king war coming November 3rd over this stuff … If they knew how the sausage was made, they could fix it.”

Mail-in voting can be complicated — tough enough that 84,000 New Yorkers had their mailed votes thrown out in the June 23 Democratic presidential primary for incorrectly filling them out.

But for political pros, they’re a piece of cake. In New Jersey, for example, it begins with a blank mail-in ballot delivered to a registered voter in a large envelope. Inside the packet is a return envelope, a “certificate of mail in voter” which the voter must sign, and the ballot itself.

That’s when the election-rigger springs into action.

Phony ballots

The ballot has no specific security features — like a stamp or a watermark — so the insider said he would just make his own ballots.

“I just put [the ballot] through the copy machine and it comes out the same way,” the insider said.

But the return envelopes are “more secure than the ballot. You could never recreate the envelope,” he said. So they had to be collected from real voters.

He would have his operatives fan out, going house to house, convincing voters to let them mail completed ballots on their behalf as a public service. The fraudster and his minions would then take the sealed envelopes home and hold them over boiling water.

“You have to steam it to loosen the glue,” said the insider.

He then would remove the real ballot, place the counterfeit ballot inside the signed certificate, and reseal the envelope.

“Five minutes per ballot tops,” said the insider.

The insider said he took care not to stuff the fake ballots into just a few public mailboxes, but sprinkle them around town. That way he avoided the attention that foiled a sloppy voter-fraud operation in a Paterson, NJ, city council race this year, where 900 ballots were found in just three mailboxes.

“If they had spread them in all different mailboxes, nothing would have happened,” the insider said.

Inside jobs

The tipster said sometimes postal employees are in on the scam.

“You have a postman who is a rabid anti-Trump guy and he’s working in Bedminster or some Republican stronghold … He can take those [filled-out] ballots, and knowing 95% are going to a Republican, he can just throw those in the garbage.”

In some cases, mail carriers were members of his “work crew,” and would sift ballots from the mail and hand them over to the operative.

In 2017, more than 500 mail-in ballots in New York City never arrived to the Board of Elections for races that November — leaving hundreds disenfranchised. They eventually were discovered in April 2018. “For some undetermined reason, some baskets of mail that were bound to the New York City Board of Elections were put off to the side at the Brooklyn processing facility,” city elections boss Michael Ryan said at the time of discovery.

Nursing homes

Hitting up assisted-living facilities and “helping” the elderly fill out their absentee ballots was a gold mine of votes, the insider said.

“There are nursing homes where the nurse is actually a paid operative. And they go room by room by room to these old people who still want to feel like they’re relevant,” said the whistleblower. “[They] literally fill it out for them.”

The insider pointed to former Jersey City Mayor Gerald McCann, who was sued in 2007 after a razor-thin victory for a local school board seat for allegedly tricking “incompetent … and ill” residents of nursing homes into casting ballots for him. McCann denied it, though he did admit to assisting some nursing home residents with absentee ballot applications.

Voter impersonation

When all else failed, the insider would send operatives to vote live in polling stations, particularly in states like New Jersey and New York that do not require voter ID. Pennsylvania, also for the most part, does not.

The best targets were registered voters who routinely skip presidential or municipal elections — information which is publicly available

“You fill out these index cards with that person’s name and district and you go around the city and say, ‘You’re going to be him, you’re going to be him,'” the insider said of how he dispatched his teams of dirty-tricksters.

At the polling place, the fake voter would sign in, “get on line and … vote,” the insider said. The impostors would simply recreate the signature that already appears in the voter roll as best they could. In the rare instance that a real voter had already signed in and cast a ballot, the impersonator would just chalk it up to an innocent mistake and bolt.

Bribing voters

The tipster said New Jersey homeless shelters offered a nearly inexhaustible pool of reliable — buyable — voters.

“They get to register where they live in and they go to the polls and vote,” he said, laughing at the roughly $174 per vote Mike Bloomberg spent to win his third mayoral term. He said he could have delivered the same result at a 70 percent discount — like when Frank “Pupie” Raia, a real estate developer and Hoboken nabob, was convicted last year on federal charges for paying low-income residents 50 bucks a pop to vote how he wanted during a 2013 municipal election.

Organizationally, the tipster said, his voter-fraud schemes in the Garden State and elsewhere resembled Mafia organizations, with a boss (usually the campaign manager) handing off the day-to-day managing of the mob soldiers to the underboss (him). The actual candidate was usually kept in the dark deliberately so they could maintain “plausible deniability.”

With mail-in ballots, partisans from both parties hash out and count ballots at the local board of elections — debating which ballots make the cut and which need to be thrown out because of irregularities.

The insider said any ballots offered up by him or his operation would come with a bent corner along the voter certificate — which contains the voter signature — so Democratic Board of Election counters would know the fix was in and not to object.

“It doesn’t stay bent, but you can tell it’s been bent,” the tipster said. “Until the [certificate] is approved, the ballot doesn’t matter. They don’t get to see the ballot unless they approve the [certificate.]”

“I invented bending corners,” the insider boasted, saying once the fixed ballots were mixed in with the normal ones, the bed was made. “Once a ballot is opened, it’s an anonymous ballot.”

While federal law warns of prison sentences of up to five years, busted voter frauds have seen far less punishment. While in 2018 a Texas woman was sentenced to five years, an Arizona man busted for voting twice in the mail was given just three years’ probation. A study by the conservative Heritage Foundation found more than 1,000 instances of documented voter fraud in the United States, almost all of which occurred over the last 20 years.

“There is nothing new about these techniques,” said Hans von Spakovsky, a senior legal fellow at Heritage who manages their election law reform initiative. “Everything he’s talking about is perfectly possible.“

The city Board of Elections declined to answer Post questions on ballot security.
 
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The Democrats want to create chaos in the Election process, creating doubt about its outcome. Then they can use lawsuits to allow counting more mail-in ballots that arrive after the election (and that they've had time to create).

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A city councilman and a councilman-elect are among the four people charged with voting fraud related to the May 12 municipal election, New Jersey Attorney General Gurbir Grewal announced Thursday.

Paterson City Councilman Michael Jackson, Councilman-Elect Alex Mendez, Shelim Khalique and Abu Razyen have been charged with criminal conduct involving mail-in ballots during the election.


They even use it against those in their own party.

Fact check: New Jersey ballot fraud case doesn't signal 'national trouble' with vote by mail

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SURE it doesn't....


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Best advice. If you get a mail in ballot throw it away. Vote in person.


That's terrible advice. No, if you receive an unsolicited mail-in ballot, fill it out and send it in. Then go vote in person on election day.


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Best advice. If you get a mail in ballot throw it away. Vote in person.

Nope. Fill it out in the comfort of your home and hand deliver it to a polling place or the County Clerk Recorder’s office on Election Day. Gives you the convenience of filling it it at your leisure and making sure it gets where it needs to be.

If you are dead set on discarding that ballot and voting a different ballot on Election Day, then shred or burn it, don’t just throw it away.
 
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Mailed-In Ballots Found Tossed in Wisconsin Ditch

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...-in-wisconsin-ditch/

A large batch of mail, including several mailed-in ballots, were discovered in a ditch along a Wisconsin road on Tuesday.

Fox 11 reported the Outagamie County Sheriff’s Office said three trays were found in a ditch early in the morning.

The mail was found “near the intersection of highways 96 and CB, near the Appleton International Airport” and was turned over to the postal service.

“The United States Postal Inspection Service immediately began investigating and we reserve further comment on this matter until that is complete,” spokesman Bob Sheehan told the news station.

The postal service did not disclose how many ballots were included in the trays.

The sheriff’s office told the Washington Examiner that it was “mail going to the post office.”


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What the fuck kids!

Get over it.

Mail in ballot is not rocket science. It comes in the mail. Fill it out & drop it in the vote box before the deadline.

You can mail it back if you want, but I just put it in the vote box and nobody but the person with the key to the box touches it.

Easy peasy
 
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Anyone who thinks a country using a mail-in ballot system to elect its leaders is a good idea to me is hopelessly small thinking and juvenile. It's right up there with not requiring a person to prove his or her identity before casting a vote.

People promoting these methods of voting are either being deliberately ruinous or are mentally challenged.


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